re: Soon you will wake up to debit card not working!

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So you see, there is no 'rapture' preceding Christ coming in Rev 19:11. The 1st resurrection occurs after Christ coming. Sorry, but any mark of the Beast that you fear...you and your loved ones will have to deal with it. Christians in Rome didn't get a break and were fed to the lions. What makes any generation after that so special?

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Very poor argument and didn’t refute anything I said.

#1 Christians cannot be unsaved- FACT
Implying otherwise means that you do not believe Christs blood is sufficient. You need to read your Bible.

#2 There can be no rapture post trib because then there would be no sheep left on earth for the sheep and goat judgement after the tribulation. Christians raptured pre trib return with Christ at the second coming. All remaining survivors on earth after the tribulation will be separated into the people who got saved during the tribulation (sheep) and unsaved (goats). The goats are sent to eternal punishment. The saved survivors (sheep) enter the 1000 year millennium in their earthly bodies and can procreate. The Christians who returned with Christ at the second coming were already judged(not on sin, but what they did for Christ)at the bema seat judgement while the tribulation was going on and are now in their glorified bodies and no longer have the ability to procreate. If a rapture occurred post trib, there would only be goats left and it would be called the goat judgement.

#3 1 Thessalonians 5:9 plainly states, “For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,”

You seem to have a hard time with that for some reason. You even ignore how Noah was given escape from Gods wrath, which is the only other time in history where Gods wrath was poured out on the ENTIRE earth like it will be during the tribulation.

#4 The early church fathers believed in the pre tribulation rapture, which refutes any argument that pre trib didn’t exist before Darby. Irenaeus (130-202 AD) for example, was a student of Polycarp, who was a follower of John the Apostle.

Quote: “Those nations however, who did not of themselves raise up their eyes unto heaven, nor returned thanks to their Maker, nor wished to behold the light of truth, but who were like blind mice concealed in the depths of ignorance, the word justly reckons “as waste water from a sink, and as the turning-weight of a balance — in fact, as nothing;”(1) so far useful and serviceable to the just, as stubble conduces towards the growth of the wheat, and its straw, by means of combustion, serves for working gold. And therefore, when in the end the Church shall be suddenly caught up from this, it is said, “There shall be tribulation such as has not been since the beginning, neither shall be.”(2) For this is the last contest of the righteous, in which, when they overcome they are crowned with incorruption.”

Irenaeus in this passage describes the church leaving the sinful world just before unprecedented disasters. Note his use of the term “caught up” which is Rapture terminology as that is the meaning of harpazo, the term for “caught up” in the King James Bible describing the Rapture in 1 Thessalonians 4. He then quotes Matthew 24:21 where The Lord Jesus Christ says: “For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.” And it is during this time that those who convert to Christianity during the final years will receive the incorruptible crown mentioned by the Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 9:25. In Irenaeus’ belief, the Rapture took place prior to the end times Great Tribulation.

May want to research these guys who also all believed the same thing: (ps this was before pagan Roman Catholic book burning and censorship of the truth and why you probably think Darby was the originator)

Papias (60-130)

Clement of Rome (90-100)

The Sherpherd of Hermas (96-150)

Ignatius of Antioch (98-117)

Barnabas (100)

The Didache (100-160)

Justin Martyr (110-165)

The Epistle of Barnabas (117-138)

Irenaeus (120-202)

Tertullian (145-220)

Hippolytus (185-236)

Cyprian (200-250)

Lactantius (260-330)

#5 The Bible must see the Rapture (Jn. 14:1-4; I Cor. 15:51-58; 1 Thes. 4:13-18) and the Second Coming (Zech. 14:1-21; Matt. 24:29-31; Mk. 13:24-27; Lk. 21:25-27; Rev. 19) as separate events, because when the verses are compared they describe two very different scenarios:

Rapture — believers meet Christ in the air
Second Coming — Christ returns to the Mount of Olives to meet the believers on earth
Rapture — Mount of Olives is unchanged
Second Coming — Mount of Olives is divided, forming a valley east of Jerusalem
Rapture — living believers obtain glorified bodies
Second Coming — living believers remain in same bodies
Rapture — believers go to heaven
Second Coming — glorified believers come from heaven, earthly believers stay on earth
Rapture — world left unjudged and living in sin
Second Coming — world is judged and righteousness is established
Rapture — depicts deliverance of the Church from wrath
Second Coming — depicts deliverance of believers who endured wrath
Rapture — no signs precede it
Second Coming — many signs precede it
Rapture — revealed only in New Testament
Second Coming — revealed in both Old and New Testaments
Rapture — deals with only the saved
Second Coming — deals with both the saved and unsaved
Rapture — Satan remains free
Second Coming — Satan is bound and thrown into the Abyss
Since the Rapture and Second Coming clearly are different events that do not occur at the same time, this would rule out a Post-Tribulation Rapture scenario.

Here is source for number 5 and a lot of other info that will help you out: LINK

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Flex, I'll tip my hat to your scripture salad to force a point that isn't true of the scriptures.

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#1 Implying otherwise means that you do not believe Christs blood is sufficient.

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I do think Christ's blood is sufficient. More so than you, I bet. Because all who die in Adam will be made alive in Christ.
Icor15 22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23But every man in his own order:

All who die are in Adam. All shall be made alive in Christ.

I Tim 4: For therefor we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe.

God is the savior of all men.

Get back to resurrections and Christ's coming time line:

I Cor15:22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Order of resurrections: -Christ the firstfruits.
Got that? Christ, period--no one else.

Next--afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
When is that?

And Rev 20:
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

That’s in Revelation, and that is when the rapture occurs.
1Thess 4:13 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord's word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

It's not complicated. Christ is the first resurrection. Then, the dead in Christ will rise first and the Christians who are still alive will be caught up in the clouds with them. This happens after all the 'tribulations.'

There's one last resurrection.
1 cor:15:20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he “has put everything under his feet.”[c] Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

rev 20: 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

The last enemy to be destroyed is death (1 Cor 15:26). The lake of fire is the second death. Christ will reign until all enemies, the last being death, is put under his feet. Then, Christ gives the kingdom back to the Father. That God can be all in all. Not all in some. All who die in Adam will be made alive in Christ. Christ does not reign forever as you may believe. Those cast into the lake of fire aren't there forever as you might believe. All of mankind will eventually be saved. The Bible says so.

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I didn’t just prove you wrong with one point, I did so with multiple points.

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But your points don't apply to the basic scriptures that deal with the subject of rapture (the word which appears nowhere in the bible) and resurrection. All of that other stuff you link is a fabrication of your logic that you decided to believe. Church Fathers? Ha! Irenaeus is considered a heretic by some because he thought Jesus was less than the Father (thus not equal in the Trinity). I agree with Irenaeus on that issue.

I used the Bible to put the resurrections into proper perspective. You can't handle the simple truth because it destroys the house of cards you've built to prove that Christians won't feel the wrath of the end times. Don't be scared. Accept the truth as the scriptures plainly say.