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re: Someone explain the tariffs thing to me

Posted on 2/21/25 at 2:36 pm to
Posted by LordSnow
Your Mom's House
Member since May 2011
5825 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 2:36 pm to
Can you block someone from posting in a thread?

This dude is a moron
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
131188 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 2:38 pm to
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conservative principles.
Principles of any sort do not change facts. The fact is, your statement was false.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281997 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 2:39 pm to
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This dude is a moron
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You poor thing. I know you hate seeing your fairy tales busted.


You asked a question in the OP, question answered and you cry like a bitch.


This post was edited on 2/21/25 at 2:45 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281997 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 2:40 pm to
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Principles of any sort do not change facts.

And the facts are that trade wars are inflationary, and we have been in one since 2018.

With a flailing economy and you think thats a "win."
Posted by AllbyMyRelf
Virginia
Member since Nov 2014
3728 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 2:44 pm to
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Some are punitive. Others are to bring back mfg. Long term is a subsidy to targeted industry at the expense of small biz.
Again, you completely refuse to engage with the actual argument.

The reciprocal tariffs (those tariffs with a stated policy goal of forcing foreign countries to remove anti-US tariffs), by their very nature are designed to be short term. Once the foreign tariffs are removed, the US tariff is removed—that’s what the reciprocal part means.

We know that’s what they’re for because that has been their stated policy goal.

We have strong evidence that they are being applied in earnest and not as a subterfuge for long term tariffs because Trump has already suspended some announced tariffs (e.g., against Colombia, Mexico, and Canada). These suspended tariffs were punitive and not reciprocal, but they provide valuable evidence nonetheless because if Trump wanted tariffs for tariffs’ sake, then why suspend them?

It’s because they’re being used as a tool to influence foreign behavior and not as a means of general economic policy.

As for the tariffs that were in place from the first term that are not reciprocal tariffs, yes, they are ill-advised, as I’ve already said. But please, keep arguing with some imaginary poster instead of engaging with my posts.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281997 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 2:46 pm to
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The reciprocal tariffs (those tariffs with a stated policy goal of forcing foreign countries to remove anti-US tariffs), by their very nature are designed to be short term.


And we've had them for 7 years. We have a full blown trade war which is detrimental to you.

I remember when MAGAts revolted at Obama's tariffs.

I guess you were lying them
This post was edited on 2/21/25 at 2:47 pm
Posted by AllbyMyRelf
Virginia
Member since Nov 2014
3728 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 2:46 pm to
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And we've had them for 7 years.
you are ridiculous
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281997 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 2:50 pm to
You deny objective facts, Gomer.

If you want the truth about tariffs (and you dont) you need to listen to people not named Trump or who work for him.
Posted by AllbyMyRelf
Virginia
Member since Nov 2014
3728 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 2:51 pm to
What facts have I denied
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281997 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 2:52 pm to
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What facts have I denied


That we've been in a trade war.

We've moved into phase three.
Posted by westerntigerfan
Member since Oct 2012
949 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 2:57 pm to
TBH. Who really knows what he wants to do with tariffs. Is it just reciprocal? Is it to replace the income tax? Is it to punish allies for not enforcing immigration laws? Or allowing drugs to cross the border? Is it to protect domestic manufacturing? It can't do all of those things, tariffs are not a panacea, and they have the potential of being harmful to the economy if not done correctly. I've always been fine with reciprocal tariffs, but I really have no idea what the tariffs are for beyond that.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
131188 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 3:30 pm to
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trade wars are inflationary
So are any corporate taxes.
Would you prefer to tax domestic companies, or foreign companies?
quote:

and you think thats a "win."
Not necessarily. I think your assertion was false.
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Member since Jan 2005
25716 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 3:31 pm to
Apple is moving their new production facility to the US, instead of Mexico.

There. Tariffs at work.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281997 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 3:32 pm to
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So are any corporate taxes.



True.

Which will most likely increase to close the income gap as Trumps tariffs are never going to replace income taxes like he thinks.

Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
131188 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 3:36 pm to
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tariffs are never going to replace income taxes like he thinks.
Oh my.
Replace income taxes like he thinks?
You think Trump also actually expects Canada to become a state?

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281997 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 3:37 pm to
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Replace income taxes like he thinks?


So he's lying.

And a lot of dumbasses believe him. Some in this very thread.

quote:

You think Trump also actually expects Canada to become a state?



No one does.

This post was edited on 2/21/25 at 3:39 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
131188 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 3:43 pm to
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You think Trump also actually expects Canada to become a state?
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No one does.
So he's lying?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281997 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 3:44 pm to
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So he's lying?


Trolling. Something he's not doing with his tariff proposals.

Youre old enough to know the difference.

Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
53164 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 3:45 pm to
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Oh my. Replace income taxes like he thinks? You think Trump also actually expects Canada to become a state?


Roger has the ability to know what Trump really thinks despite what his written policies are. It’s a remarkable talent. Of course, he is an idiot that thinks he is a lot smarter than he is. Which makes his predictions almost universally incorrect.
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
9189 posts
Posted on 2/21/25 at 3:53 pm to
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What do you think is going to happen to prices for imported goods when you apply a tariff to them?

Will American citizens pay more, less, or the same for those goods?

When you find the correct answer among those choices, you will see the issue.


Let's think about this. You say that tariffs only increase the prices for consumers in the country enacting them. Every country has tariffs on US goods.

So, there's only a few possibilities.

1. The world leaders know that tariffs only hurt their own people but they are using them anyways because they just want to hurt their own citizens
2. All the world leaders and their citizens have had tariffs against us for decades but none of them have yet realized they are only hurting themselves
3. There's a benefit to tariffs you stubbornly refuse to admit

Which one do you think is the most likely?
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