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re: So where do natural antibodies fit into the current “vaccinate or else” movement?

Posted on 5/14/21 at 1:12 pm to
Posted by Wildcat1996
Lexington, KY
Member since Jul 2020
5976 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 1:12 pm to
I'm not sure they are "stronger" or if that even matters. Are they sufficient to protect you from futureinfections and/or serious complications?


Anybody member going to visit a friend with Chicken Pox as a kid? I member. Your mom took your picture to document you had already had it for the school nurse.

That practice was very effective at limiting the severity of cases which increase with age at the time of infection.

Anyone know of an infectious disease that presents with more severe symptoms with aging?
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
33366 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 1:17 pm to
How many known cases of re infection after having Covid? I don’t know the exact answer but at one time, several months into the pandemic, there were less than 5 confirmed cases worldwide.

How many vaccinated people have contracted Covid? I don’t know the exact answer, but we have 7 people from one baseball team that have tested positive.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20893 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 4:37 pm to
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Are you insinuating natural antibodies are not a thing? How do you think vaccines work?


I am insinuating some folks believe vaccines are nonsense and that natural antibodies are more effective than vaccines.
Posted by St Augustine
The Pauper of the Surf
Member since Mar 2006
64215 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 6:05 pm to
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A coworker and her husband both lost their antibodies within 5 months of getting COVID. Anecdotal of course


Still have long term T cell response.
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
9942 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 6:13 pm to
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Part of my question was - does natural immunity last forever, and if so - this seems to be different from vaccines given we're told boosters will be required every 6-12 months.


In case it wasn't clear yet ... the answer is no
Posted by OccamsStubble
Member since Aug 2019
4990 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 8:32 pm to
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People who get mildly sick Mount a mild antibody response.

Antibodies are antibodies. Unless they are monoclonal antibodies given as medication to fight the virus like regeneron or a number of others.

If you're body makes an antibody, it is a natural antibody. The body can't tell if you got it from the virus or from a vaccine.

Now the immune response your body mounts is based on how sick you are.

This if you get a mild illness, your response will be mild.

Thus people who get sick from the virus have all different levels of response because they got all different levels of viral load and sick.

The vaccine gets your body to make a strong antibody response. This leaves you more likely to fight it off if exposed to the virus again.

People who got it tend to be immune to it, but people who got a very mild illness would benefit from the vaccine.

Those are the facts my friend. This getting the virus is better than getting the vaccine part is just dumb.

An antibody is an antibody made by the body.




Yes, but antibodies aren’t monoclonal, they are raised to MULTIPLE epitopes on the surface of the virus, or the vaccine. And since the virus is FAR more complex than the vaccine, the group of antibodies raised to a virus is MUCH BETTER at killing virus than the group of antibodies raised to the vaccine.

Posted by Zahrim
McCamey Texas
Member since Mar 2009
7667 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 9:51 pm to
I have a coworker who had covid. he has antibodies and our company says no vax until you no longer test for antibodies. its been well over 8 months so far.
Posted by OccamsStubble
Member since Aug 2019
4990 posts
Posted on 5/15/21 at 7:05 am to
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I have a coworker who had covid. he has antibodies and our company says no vax until you no longer test for antibodies. its been well over 8 months so far.



Does your company test for measles antibodies? I ask, because you and your coworker have been vaccinated for measles, but neither of you have measles antibodies.

You and your coworker work for a company that doesn’t understand the basics of immunology.
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