re: Sky Screamers Rejoice! Senate votes to repeal the repeal of Net Neutrality

It's like all you people forgot Comcast exists.

As far as I'm concerned, every conservative in this thread opposing Pai who has EVER thrown a dart at a liberal on this board for "not understanding business" or "not understanding" economics has zero credibility on that statement to me from here forward.

They've proven to be no different than the people they throw darts at.

A classic example of why the answer in the "govt out of our lives" thread is "very few people" because a lot of "conservatives" are basically just liberals.........but on different subjects.

There's never a situation where I view heavy regulations as a benefit to me. Can't wrap my head around that mindset.

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It's a classic case of people loving heavy regulations when they've been convinced it will benefit them.

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Liberals. "I want regulation of X because of Y!!! It will work to reduce costs!!!"

Conservatives most of the time. "Your understanding of business and economics blows and regulation won't have the effect you claim".

On this issue.

Liberals. "I want regulation of X because of Y!!! It will work to reduce costs!!!"

Conservatives in this thread - "Yeah.........muh internet is DIFFERENT!...........no economics here!"

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If that’s the case, why did the ISPs lobby so hard for these regulations to be lifted? You think they are that eager for more competition?

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They hate title 2 classification as well. Title 2 reaches more than just competition. It is not needed to achieve the goals of NN. There are in fact, other ways to legislate and regulate that would achieve the NN goals without title 2.

You don’t know what a straw man is.

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And title 2 increases those barriers and solidifies the conglomerate companies at the top. It does the exact opposite of what people actually want from NN

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People just want data to be treated equally. Title II is a means to an end. The big ISPs sued in court and won... and now without Title II there is no legal authority that can enforce net neutrality principles.

If congress would get to work both consumers and ISPs could win. Revise or create an act giving the FCC the authority and duty to enforce net neutrality principles and repeal the Title II classification on the day the other legislation takes effect.

Instead of supporting those efforts Verizon et al sue because they believe the 1st amendment protects their ability to throttle, redirect, edit, and censor your internet activity and created content.

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Your argument is that repealing Title II regulations will increase competition.

If that’s the case, why did the ISPs lobby so hard for these regulations to be lifted? You think they are that eager for more competition?

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Because title II gives government the authority to grant monopolies, regulate prices (min or max) exactly as they do your electric utility, etc.

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The consensus seems to be that the government already regulates internets (which blocks many small guys from entering)

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What do you think blocks more small guys from entering?

Government regulation or the task of cost effectively building, upgrading, and maintaining a high speed line infrastructure across a region that can reach every home while charging a price competitive with already established ISPs?

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My internet is wireless and I love it. I can use it almost anywhere.

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My phone has wireless internet i can use anywhere as well, and i agree that is where we are heading, however, those wireless companies should also be forced to treat all traffic the same.

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People just want data to be treated equally

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Cool.

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Title II is a means to an end.

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A really shitty means to a really shitty end.

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now without Title II there is no legal authority that can enforce net neutrality principles.

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Hmmm......you sure about that? If only there were ways to regulate stuff, but not require it to be title 2. Oh wait, republicans tried to do just that, ISPs were on board with it, and it avoided Title 2.

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If congress would get to work both consumers and ISPs could win. Revise or create an act giving the FCC the authority and duty to enforce net neutrality principles and repeal the Title II classification on the day the other legislation takes effect.

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Again, they tried. Democrats won't let it happen. ISPs were on board, with the exception of I believe comcast, but their exception wasn't to the net neutrality aspects of it.