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re: Sky Screamers Rejoice! Senate votes to repeal the repeal of Net Neutrality
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:25 pm to Breesus
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:25 pm to Breesus
quote:Yes. When one doesn't actually know economics or markets, then it probably seems logical.
It's not desperate. It's a very logical conclusion
quote:Of course not. But, you spent half the thread bitching about a monopoly and that was all red herring bull shite.
Yeah. I have beliefs and principles that I find very hard to compromise in. That shocks you?
quote:I've done just fine thank you. I can't help your lack of knowledge.
I conceded that if there were 10000 ISPs available everywhere nationwide that least some competition would exist and NN might not be necessary. Of course, you can't appreciate or acknowledge that, because I assume you don't understand how to have a conversation with people.
You're like the Sociology major stuck in a 4th year econ class yelling "but why" every 10 minutes. No one has time to bring up through the prior 3 years.
quote:My position is government mandating of this condition is worse than the problem.
My protection is worse that the problem? A free and open internet that fosters competition is worse than Google and Comcast controlling all of the content you're allowed to view with no possibility of checks by the market? That's your position?
I know you don't comprehend this. And, you almost certainly can't even comprehend WHY a person would say it(which is a VERY important skill in debate). Even when you don't agree with someone, if you are familiar with why people hold such a position, it's helpful.
But that would require you choose to read up or maybe just go back to school.
We don't have time for that.
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Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:26 pm to Breesus
quote:When talking about Markets, economics and regulation, you are indistinguishable from a liberal.
I've already told you I'm not liberal. I fail to see how you think I am.
Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, is a duck.
If you aren't liberal on other stuff, fine.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:27 pm to Big Chipper
quote:Ahhh.
Because it was put forward by the Obama administration. 'nuff said
The REALLY simple minded thinkers have shown up now.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:28 pm to SoulGlo
quote:
I won't tell you what that problem is. It is obvious. You act like you're smart... Prove you're not fricking stupid.
That's convenient.
You're 100% wrong. I refuse to prove it or offer any evidence as to why just know that I'm right and you're wrong and I'll never explain it.
This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:30 pm to Breesus
quote:
You're 100% wrong. I refuse to prove it or offer any evidence as to why just know that I'm right and you're wrong and I'll never explain it.
Well. To be fair to Soul.
Talking about why he's right wouldn't help anyway.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:30 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
Did you know I can't just build a giant factory that's going to pull 50% of the power from a local power plant and plug in?
You mean exactly like how an up and coming ISP can't just build an entire infrastructure in a region to supplant the current ISP?
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:30 pm to Breesus
quote:
It doesn't do anything to protect that existing structure either. It simply a free market protection against monopolies involvement that the consumers are unable to keep in check.
Here we go with this again.
There's nothing free market about it
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:31 pm to Breesus
quote:No. That's not what I meant at all.
You mean exactly like how an up and coming ISP can't just build an entire infrastructure in a region to supplant the current ISP?
This is literally hopeless. You can't even follow your own points.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:31 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
Ahh. But you see. I've outed him. He doesn't actually give two shits about this supposed monopoly problem.
He's admitted that no matter how much competition there is, he demands that at least a few of them be banned from any and all traffic manipulation!!
He doesn't give two shits about the monopoly argument. THAT is a red herring and that's why they don't argue for just removing the monopoly.
They want their little regulation even if we get 500 Verizons.
Everything in this post is incorrect and I've already said twice that if there was plenty of ISP competition that NN might not be necessary however until that competition exists NN is a necessity.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:33 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
Here we go with this again.
There's nothing free market about it
I do so enjoy someone telling me that a government rule that prevents a business from behaving as a business might is making it a "free market".
And, of course, NOT doing so means it isn't a free market(even if you kill govt created monopolies!!!!)
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:33 pm to Breesus
quote:
And I believe it is impossible to "simply" end those government monopolies.
Absolutely disagree. You could end them today and there will be businessmen scrambling for a piece of the pie.
Title II is a regulatory approach to "fairness" and there's really nothing fair or free market about input.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:33 pm to Breesus
quote:
Put your finger on why I have 4 ISPs to choose from in a relatively remote area, yet neighborhoods just on the other side of the county line only have one.
I'll help you out again. There is no mountain between my 4 LAND ISPs and the other neighborhoods with one. There is no river. No swamp. No slab of metal or granite buried in the ground. No lake. No glacier.
See if you can figure out what is causing the monopoly on the MORE REGULATED side of the county line.
Shorty, did I give him too much info?
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:34 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
And, you almost certainly can't even comprehend WHY a person would say it(which is a VERY important skill in debate). Even when you don't agree with someone, if you are familiar with why people hold such a position, it's helpful.
It makes no sense to me that you can simultaneously belive that free markets are always beneficial and there is absolutely no reason for any government regulation of ISPs but at the same time laugh at my for asking if you believe in the complete deregulation of the power and water industries. Consolidate those two beliefs for me.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:34 pm to Breesus
quote:MIGHT not be necessary
Everything in this post is incorrect and I've already said twice that if there was plenty of ISP competition that NN might not be necessary
You also stated that you wouldn't be for NN IF.........repeat IF a few of those had 100% unfettered NN rules.
In other words, you don't give a frick about shite if they don't. If they don't, you want to regualte.
Dude. At least admit what you've already said and don't try to slide out from under.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:35 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
When talking about Markets, economics and regulation, you are indistinguishable from a liberal.
Again, for the fourth time in this thread, you assert that the free market will always win and there is never a need for any government regulation.
So why regulate power or water or medicine?
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:35 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
I do so enjoy someone telling me that a government rule that prevents a business from behaving as a business might is making it a "free market".
Its fricking mind boggling.
Maybe alternative economics?
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:36 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
Well. To be fair to Soul.
Talking about why he's right wouldn't help anyway.
That's convenient. Why have discussions? Why debate? Why explain my position?
You'll never understand and I'm right and youre wrong and there's no reason to ever talk to each other.
That's how you live life?
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:37 pm to Breesus
quote:
you assert that the free market will always wi
Free markets will give you competition and innovation.
That's a win win for the consumer.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
Absolutely disagree. You could end them today and there will be businessmen scrambling for a piece of the pie
How? How do you end them right now and suddenly flood the market with competitors?
Give me one concrete example.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:39 pm to Breesus
quote:I know it doesn't make sense to you because in this area, you're a liberal and you don't fully grasp what markets are and why they're good.
It makes no sense to me that you can simultaneously belive that free markets are always beneficial
Over time, markets are ALWAYS better than the alternative. Period.
quote:Did you not get my reference to Maslow? I can only educate so much here.
but at the same time laugh at my for asking if you believe in the complete deregulation of the power and water industries
I realize you think water/electricity = internet but alas, it just doesn't. Not even close.
Again, unless you feel an inability to login to TD would hinder your ability to remain alive.
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