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re: Should corporations be legally considered individuals?
Posted on 6/22/18 at 11:42 am to GoCrazyAuburn
Posted on 6/22/18 at 11:42 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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talking corporations, not organizations...that's a different topic
No, no, they are very much related. You are then arguing for taking away the rights of one type of group to participate in the political process but allowing another. It is all or nothing.
No I said I'm not talking about organizations, I'm talking about corporations. I do not care about organizations or know anything about it off the top of my head. This is just regarding the history of corporations and their rights.
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So we don't end up with a corporate conglomerate that owns everything through infinite corporations that individually are protected from each other.....
So, you don't like efficient ways of raising capital? You don't like investing in small businesses? If you're like Hemp, and are fine with wrecking the economy, that is perfectly fine, just be upfront about it. (Not calling you out Hemp, I understand your point of view)
You do know in my scenario bill gates can own as many corporations as he wishes, but Microsoft can't own all of his stuff to protect his money lol, that's silly. Explain how this would wreck anything besides the rich peoples way of skating around our rules?
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Posted on 6/22/18 at 11:42 am to tigerdude3232
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Lobbying should be illegal.
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 11:43 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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Look at the people in our government right now. How many of them were ex CEO's or corporate leaders. It's already happened my man.
Okay, so what type of people need to be in our government?
ETA: And most are still career politicians. 1/5th of congress worked in education actually.
Damn, really? Had no idea, and think that's interesting all on its own, seeing as we have such a shite education system
Posted on 6/22/18 at 11:44 am to tigerdude3232
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No I said I'm not talking about organizations, I'm talking about corporations. I do not care about organizations or know anything about it off the top of my head. This is just regarding the history of corporations and their rights.
Well then news flash, there are more than just corporations that are able to participate in politics. Only focusing on one because you think they are evil is hypocritical.
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You do know in my scenario bill gates can own as many corporations as he wishes, but Microsoft can't own all of his stuff to protect his money lol, that's silly. Explain how this would wreck anything besides the rich peoples way of skating around our rules?
You honestly need me to explain to you how forbidding corporations from investing into other corporations would wreck out economy? Please tell me you're joking.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 11:45 am to tigerdude3232
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Damn, really? Had no idea, and think that's interesting all on its own, seeing as we have such a shite education system
Here is the link I got it from.
LINK
Posted on 6/22/18 at 11:45 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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Are you sure? These don't fit that:
Mike Pompeo
Steven Mnuchin
Wilbur Ross
Alexander Acosta
Alex Azar
I'd like to know if i really must list 80% of our politicians for you to open your eyes.
Are you sure about that? 115th congress House / Senate:
Public Service/Politics 194 44
Business 179 29
Law 168 50
Education 79 20
ETA: Some submitted multiple careers
Just because they were a lawyer starting out or started out as a teacher, doesn't really mean anything. Half that list I sent started out on their own and moved into a top corporate spot before they were in politics. All I mean is most politicians were on a board, ran a corporation, or come from political families.....
Posted on 6/22/18 at 11:48 am to GoCrazyAuburn
dude all that shows is that they have experience in that field....That is it, doesn't say what corporation they came from. Just start googling different prominent political figures and look at their background. Most of them were not a local teacher at the elementary school lol
Posted on 6/22/18 at 11:48 am to tigerdude3232
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on a board, ran a corporation
Is this a bad thing?
What type of person are you wanting as a politician then?
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political families..
Not many here like career politicians.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 11:51 am to tigerdude3232
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Most of them were not a local teacher at the elementary school lol
I never said they were.
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dude all that shows is that they have experience in that field....That is it, doesn't say what corporation they came from. Just start googling different prominent political figures and look at their background.
So then, you have evidence that shows 80% of politicians ran and were/are on the board for corporations?
I mean, it is pretty well known the overwhelming majority of congress in career politicians and lawyers. If you have something to the contrary, please provide it.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 11:51 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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on a board, ran a corporation
Is this a bad thing?
What type of person are you wanting as a politician then?
People who make policies that do not personally effect their wealth? I mean when you let people like that control the laws, you have to know they will bend them to benefit their selves and their corporation.
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political families..
Not many here like career politicians.
You could argue a career politician would have the lease incentive to frick over the public he represents....A ceo type guy just lands another top gig because of his connections.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 11:53 am to GoCrazyAuburn
Once again, you can google everyone in power for yourself. I can't find a published list that states it and don't have time to make you an outline like you must be use to having when learning new things.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 11:58 am to tigerdude3232
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People who make policies that do not personally effect their wealth? I mean when you let people like that control the laws, you have to know they will bend them to benefit their selves and their corporation.
So, then nobody should be a politician? You are basically asking for politicians that have no real world experience. Every politicians would need to be a career politician, even though you just stated earlier critical of career political families.
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You could argue a career politician would have the lease incentive to frick over the public he represents....A ceo type guy just lands another top gig because of his connections.
So, you're idea of an ideal governing body is a bunch of people who have no real world experienced in the matters they are voting on, making decisions?
Posted on 6/22/18 at 11:59 am to tigerdude3232
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Once again, you can google everyone in power for yourself. I can't find a published list that states it and don't have time to make you an outline like you must be use to having when learning new things.
I can google it, but you couldn't find a list? Well, I did provide you actual evidence, yet I'm the one having to learn new things? I bring actual evidence to the discussion. If you want to have a legitimate discussion, best to not be condescending when you are obviously naive on the topic.
This post was edited on 6/22/18 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 6/22/18 at 12:09 pm to tigerdude3232
Yes.
Corporations are made up of people.
Corporations are made up of people.
Posted on 6/22/18 at 12:19 pm to CptRusty
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The risks would be far too great.
Correct.
Corporations are a risk management tool for investors. Without them it would be very difficult to raise private capital to advance new technology, medicines and other innovations.
People with big ideas would have to turn to government to help with funding. That would be disastrous.
Think of all of the modern things that would never have happened if their early development had been dependant in government grants.
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