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Sherrod Brown Wants Medicare Buy-In at Age 50 as an Option Now
Posted on 2/20/19 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 2/20/19 at 9:55 pm
Trump should seize the initiative and support Medicare Buy-In for 50 and above. It’s a no brainer politically. This is very reasonable policy while letting Democrats sink themselves on Medicare for all.
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Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) on Sunday called for expanding Medicare to people who are 50 years and older rather than pushing for "Medicare for all," a popular option for many potential Democratic 2020 nominees.
Brown, who is considering running for president and who has said Medicare for all isn't practical, said Sunday on CNN's "State of the Union" that he wants to "help people now." His proposal would create a voluntary buy-in to Medicare for people who are 50 and older.
"I want to expand Medicare to 50," he added. "Now, if we get enough people, we will see a lot of people get in - in that plan, 58-year-olds and 62-year-olds that have lost their insurance, lost their jobs. We will see the success of that, and that will end up continuing to broaden and expand coverage for so many Americans."
To provide coverage to people under 50 years old, Brown called for fixing "the problems with the Affordable Care Act."
Posted on 2/20/19 at 9:59 pm to TOKEN
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To provide coverage to people under 50 years old, Brown called for fixing "the problems with the Affordable Care Act."
LOL..
Posted on 2/20/19 at 10:03 pm to TOKEN
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It’s a no brainer politically
Except for the fact that Medicare is already broke at its existing level.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 10:05 pm to GooseSix
Laugh all you want amigo but Medicare Buy-In for 50 and above could swing an election the Democrats way especially in the face of no plan?
Ready for this
80% of Voters believe it’s a good plan
Including 70% of Republicans
The number one issue in 2020 will be Healthcare and killing Obamacare won’t be an option. Republicans need to grab the intitative and frame the debate.
Ready for this
80% of Voters believe it’s a good plan
Including 70% of Republicans
The number one issue in 2020 will be Healthcare and killing Obamacare won’t be an option. Republicans need to grab the intitative and frame the debate.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 10:13 pm to Revelator
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Except for the fact that Medicare is already broke at its existing level.
Medicare Part A is in financial trouble (consists of impatient hospital insurance) because there is no ongoing funding mechanism to support the program. The rest of Medicare is solvent but allowing people to buy into Medicare who are younger and more healthy helps the program.
This post was edited on 2/20/19 at 10:15 pm
Posted on 2/20/19 at 10:24 pm to TOKEN
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Medicare Part A is in financial trouble (consists of impatient hospital insurance) because there is no ongoing funding mechanism to support the program.
You got some numbers to support that?
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The rest of Medicare is solvent but allowing people to buy into Medicare who are younger and more healthy helps the program.
I don't think so. Giving the option to 50 year olds to opt into Medicare screams adverse selection. You're also opening up private plans for cream skimming, doubling down on the problem.
This post was edited on 2/20/19 at 10:25 pm
Posted on 2/20/19 at 10:28 pm to TOKEN
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The number one issue in 2020 will be Healthcare
I love how Obamacare being so shitty makes healthcare a huge issue in our elections now. Obamacare worked perfectly. Break our healthcare system and make the government take over.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 10:33 pm to AbuTheMonkey
No mechanism besides Medicare taxes cut out of paychecks. Goes without saying but my bad
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Hospital insurance
The report is an annual exercise designed to review the health of the nation’s biggest health insurance program. It looks in detail at each of Medicare’s pieces, including Part A inpatient hospital insurance; Part B coverage for outpatient hospital care, physician services, and the like; Part C Medicare Advantage plans; and Part D drug insurance.
Those “going broke” headlines are all about Part A Hospital insurance (HI), which accounted for about 40 percent of the program’s $710 billion in spending in 2017. HI mostly is funded by the Medicare tax that is withheld from worker paychecks and paid by the self-employed. And that tax—as well as other smaller sources of revenue– is not sufficient to pay the bills. It hasn’t been for years.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 10:41 pm to TOKEN
Thing is the ACA has too many older sick people in the pool. The theory is by moving 50-64 year olds (voluntarily) into Medicare Buy-In it should lower the price of plans in ACA.
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Theoretically, adding a relatively younger group to Medicare's membership -- the spritely 55-to-64 set -- could cushion Medicare's finances by diluting the risk pool. In a 2009 paper on the possibilities, the National Center for Policy Analysis said 57 percent of people ages 55 to 64 who buy their own insurance report excellent or very good health, and the same went for people in that age group who get coverage from their employers. Another 13 to 14 percent reported poor health.
Contrast that with this statistic from the Kaiser Family Foundation: In 2011, 27 percent of all Medicare beneficiaries were in fair or poor health.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 10:45 pm to TOKEN
Sounds great! but employed! healthy 50 year olds aren't going tp be the ones buying into the plan. It will be people rated as substandard. granted the worst of the worst are already on medicaid so it may even out.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 10:48 pm to The Boat
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I love how Obamacare being so shitty makes healthcare a huge issue in our elections now. Obamacare worked perfectly. Break our healthcare system and make the government take over.
Healthcare has always been a big issue and access is only getting harder & more expensive. Might as well live in reality that Obamacare is here to stay. Medicare for all is way too expensive but allowing 50-64 year olds to buy in could lower our premiums and hopefully give us better coverage. Here’s the thing. Older voters under the gun will vote for a Democrat who come forward with this type of plan vs the status quo. It’s the type of policy position that could neutralize it even give Trump an advantage on healthcare in 2020.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 10:50 pm to LSUSkip
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Sounds great! but employed! healthy 50 year olds aren't going tp be the ones buying into the plan. It will be people rated as substandard. granted the worst of the worst are already on medicaid so it may even out.
Exactly, it’s going to be those individuals who have a higher insurance premium that find their way into Medicare Buy In program which is usually because of a health condition.
This post was edited on 2/20/19 at 10:51 pm
Posted on 2/20/19 at 11:17 pm to TOKEN
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No mechanism besides Medicare taxes cut out of paychecks. Goes without saying but my bad
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Hospital insurance
The report is an annual exercise designed to review the health of the nation’s biggest health insurance program. It looks in detail at each of Medicare’s pieces, including Part A inpatient hospital insurance; Part B coverage for outpatient hospital care, physician services, and the like; Part C Medicare Advantage plans; and Part D drug insurance.
Those “going broke” headlines are all about Part A Hospital insurance (HI), which accounted for about 40 percent of the program’s $710 billion in spending in 2017. HI mostly is funded by the Medicare tax that is withheld from worker paychecks and paid by the self-employed. And that tax—as well as other smaller sources of revenue– is not sufficient to pay the bills. It hasn’t been for years.
Essentially, the article is saying that funding isn't there for all four parts no matter the revenue source.
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Thing is the ACA has too many older sick people in the pool. The theory is by moving 50-64 year olds (voluntarily) into Medicare Buy-In it should lower the price of plans in ACA. LINK quote: Theoretically, adding a relatively younger group to Medicare's membership -- the spritely 55-to-64 set -- could cushion Medicare's finances by diluting the risk pool. In a 2009 paper on the possibilities, the National Center for Policy Analysis said 57 percent of people ages 55 to 64 who buy their own insurance report excellent or very good health, and the same went for people in that age group who get coverage from their employers. Another 13 to 14 percent reported poor health. Contrast that with this statistic from the Kaiser Family Foundation: In 2011, 27 percent of all Medicare beneficiaries were in fair or poor health.
Methinks these Senators didn't have decent healthcare economists advising them along the way. And for the record, KFF is an advocacy group, not a neutral nonpartisan source.
I'll explain it more clearly: giving the option to a wider (mostly already subsidized) group is the very definition of adverse selection for risk pools. The vast majority of Americans in the 50 - 64 age range are still in their earning years (and thus covered). The group that would be opting in for this would be less than ideal, to say the least.
For Medicare, it's about controlling costs. It's always been about controlling costs, and it will always be about controlling costs as long as the program exists. All they're doing is kicking the proverbial can down the road - and probably making the actuarial pieces worse - by adding a group that is predisposed to poorer health. That's patchworking with an extra revenue source that probably won't cover the additional costs.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 12:12 am to TOKEN
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’s going to be those individuals who have a higher insurance premium that find their way into Medicare Buy In program which is usually because of a health condition.
could be doable if enough people rated as preferred would join in as well. which would be possible since it is esswntially free health care. Medicare taxes would have to be raised but private healthcare premiums may go down as a result.
Overall I don't see it as much of a win for the average 50-65 year old. nearly free healthcare but government run....
Posted on 2/21/19 at 1:06 am to LSUSkip
My individual Medicare premiums are almost $500/mo plus my supplement.
I can't to see what my new premiums will be.
I can't to see what my new premiums will be.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 1:16 am to TOKEN
quote:until they get old and sick in 5-10 years
but allowing people to buy into Medicare who are younger and more healthy helps the program.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 1:18 am to TOKEN
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80% of Voters believe it’s a good plan
Including 70% of Republicans
God damn we need poll tests.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 1:29 am to Whens lunch
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My individual Medicare premiums are almost $500/mo plus my supplement.
I can't to see what my new premiums will be.
The only way that is possible is if you did not pay in for 40 quarters.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 6:07 am to TOKEN
quote:I haven't thought much about this and haven't done the research but I would imagine the younger and healthy would not be the ones to switch to Medicare. Just a guess, though.
The rest of Medicare is solvent but allowing people to buy into Medicare who are younger and more healthy helps the program.
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