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Shapiro Angry with Tucker

Posted on 10/13/23 at 3:48 pm
Posted by POTUS2024
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Posted on 10/13/23 at 3:48 pm
Saw this on Greenwald's YouTube Channel 12 min long

Summary - I have never seen Ben Shapiro this angry. If I'm being honest, this makes me question who Ben feels a primary allegiance toward: Israel or the US. I don't see him, and have never seen him, this angry about things in the US, even though there is an obvious effort to destroy this nation right now. I'm curious if he burned a bridge with Tucker, since part of his rant included insults.

Glenn's comments
- Tucker's basic argument is that Hamas' actions are reprehensible and Israel has a right to respond. However, that does not mean this becomes an American war and that it doesn't mean that an attack on Israel is an attack on the US.

- Plays a clip of Tucker's comments. Tucker says that wisdom and long term thinking are absent and he plays a clip from Nikki equating this with an attack on the US. Nikki says to "finish them" and Tucker calls her a child. Then he plays a clip of Lindsey with the same general message, even saying that if Hezbollah attacks then the US should attack Iran. Then later Graham seemed to remove that qualifier and just advocated going after Iran. Graham is asked "you'd want to bomb Iran even in the absence of direct evidence they were involved in this attack?" and Graham responds, "Yeah". Graham thinks we are beyond the need for direct evidence, meaning the pretext for attacking Iran is already established.

- Glenn plays clip of Tucker assailing Graham, and Tucker comments about Crenshaw as well who had similar comments as Graham.

- Then Glenn plays comments from Shapiro, who was outraged. Shapiro is immediately snarky as he gives running commentary on Tucker's comments (my comment: the opening snark was a good indicator of what was to come). Tucker says people are not as animated about the 100,000 Americans killed due to the border, and Shapiro tries to dispute that and says people are on bullhorns about it all the time. (my comment: I think Shapiro's anger essentially exposes Tucker's comments as well as his general point, as true)

Shapiro says Tucker is trying to minimize what happened in Israel. Ben begins frothing at the mouth saying that border related deaths are not like the terror acts in Israel. (my comment - in one respect I see Ben's point, but the totality in number is also an important aspect, as well as the simplicity of the solution, of just securing the border, not to mention the fact that the border causes more death and terror than just the drug-related deaths).

- Glenn chimes in and points out another issue is that Israel is a foreign country and a great distinction here is talking about America and Americans v talking about people from a foreign nation.

- Glenn plays more of Ben, who gets angrier, and says that Tucker's position is idiocy and stupidity. It's just non-stop anger sprinkled with some insults from Ben. (my comment: I'm curious if Ben may have burned a bridge with Tucker)
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
58660 posts
Posted on 10/13/23 at 3:49 pm to
quote:

If I'm being honest, this makes me question who Ben feels a primary allegiance toward: Israel or the US.


Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44017 posts
Posted on 10/13/23 at 3:51 pm to
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If I'm being honest, this makes me question who Ben feels a primary allegiance toward: Israel or the US.

No need to question it: The answer is Israel.
Many Americans’ allegiance to the US is waning.
I can’t fault Shapiro.
Posted by DeafVallyBatnR
Member since Sep 2004
16828 posts
Posted on 10/13/23 at 3:52 pm to
I think Ben is a turd
Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
9095 posts
Posted on 10/13/23 at 3:56 pm to
Ben's alliance is clearly to Israel. Always has been.

Totally fine, but the people who think like him are the ones who should fund the wars and go there to fight and not drag the rest of us into it.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
11068 posts
Posted on 10/13/23 at 3:56 pm to
quote:

No need to question it: The answer is Israel.
Many Americans’ allegiance to the US is waning.
I can’t fault Shapiro.


So you agree with him?
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44017 posts
Posted on 10/13/23 at 3:58 pm to
quote:

So you agree with him?

With whom—Greenwood, Shapiro, or Tucker?
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
78496 posts
Posted on 10/13/23 at 3:58 pm to
If Shapiro allows his justified sadness and rage to sound entitled and strident as if America is duty- bound to die for Israel , and if that attitude becomes prevalent, he will find that Israel loses much of the populist American Right. Proceed humbly, Ben.
Posted by Nix to Twillie
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2015
17705 posts
Posted on 10/13/23 at 3:59 pm to
quote:

I have never seen Ben Shapiro this angry. If I'm being honest, this makes me question who Ben feels a primary allegiance toward: Israel or the US.


He’s an Orthodox Jew. His people were attacked.
Posted by wmr
North of Dickson, South of Herman's
Member since Mar 2009
32518 posts
Posted on 10/13/23 at 4:01 pm to
quote:

If I'm being honest, this makes me question who Ben feels a primary allegiance toward: Israel or the US.


This has been obvious for a long time. Ben only views the US as a protector of Israel. His Conservatism begins and ends with Zionism.
Posted by wmr
North of Dickson, South of Herman's
Member since Mar 2009
32518 posts
Posted on 10/13/23 at 4:02 pm to
quote:

He’s an Orthodox Jew. His people were attacked.


Great supporting statement. Yes, "His people" are obviously Israelis. He shouldn't be in the USA.
Posted by Lieutenant Dan
Euthanasia, USA
Member since Jan 2009
7168 posts
Posted on 10/13/23 at 4:05 pm to
What an angry little elf.
Posted by FtheNWO
Member since Nov 2021
223 posts
Posted on 10/13/23 at 4:05 pm to
That angry hobbit annoys me. Shapiro being an Israel-Firster doesn't bother me nearly as much as some others.

I wonder how much time Shapiro has spent on the 'intelligence failure' question. There are several former IDF people he could talk to.
Posted by momentoftruth87
Member since Oct 2013
71421 posts
Posted on 10/13/23 at 4:06 pm to
Ben is a nerd who can go fight if he’d like. To suggest others die for his beliefs is laughable. I’ll say this about anyone who suggests war but yet hasn’t served or been in war themselves. Israel is more than competent to fight this by themselves, especially with the lethal and non lethal aid we already provide them.
Posted by Nix to Twillie
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2015
17705 posts
Posted on 10/13/23 at 4:09 pm to
If you don’t expect him to be very angry and emotional over an attack on his religion of which he is as devout as they come, affecting members of his family and in the most brutal and appalling way possible, then I don’t know what you want.

And honestly who cares who he “likes” more. He does his civic duty and IMO represents our country well, even if you might disagree with him.
Posted by momentoftruth87
Member since Oct 2013
71421 posts
Posted on 10/13/23 at 4:10 pm to
He would also be the last to leave his studio making millions to go to Israel right now.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
11068 posts
Posted on 10/13/23 at 4:13 pm to
quote:

Ben's alliance is clearly to Israel. Always has been.

Totally fine, but the people who think like him are the ones who should fund the wars and go there to fight and not drag the rest of us into it.


I was left with a similar feeling. At the end of his rant I thought: why doesn't he pick up a rifle and fight for Israel? I can't help but feel this type of outrage from people that have not and will not pick up a rifle or get some skin in the game, is just a display of cowardice.

I went to war for my country. Ben should do the same if he's that bothered. I suspect however, that it's just not that important to him, to where he would blister his hands digging fighting positions, going on patrol, etc. But, if Americans tote rifles in defense of his interests, I'm sure he'd be ok with that. I mean, these are people from flyover country after all, not people with genius IQ's from Harvard. We can't spare the Ben Shapiro's of the world, but we can spare the sons and daughters of others without an Ivy pedigree.

I thought this was an awful display from Shapiro and it has changed my view of him.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
11068 posts
Posted on 10/13/23 at 4:14 pm to
quote:

With whom—Greenwood, Shapiro, or Tucker?


Shapiro.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
11068 posts
Posted on 10/13/23 at 4:16 pm to
quote:

He’s an Orthodox Jew. His people were attacked.


Understood, but he's also an American and I don't see him as animated about those issues. I know Israel faces threats but it's very clear we are being dismantled as a nation right now. Where is Israel if the US falls?
Posted by momentoftruth87
Member since Oct 2013
71421 posts
Posted on 10/13/23 at 4:19 pm to
Here is an article discussing him being questioned at a previous cpac event

Ben Shapiro explains why he has not made ‘aliyah’

quote:

Jews should live where they can be a light to the nations and for me as a person with millions and millions of followers in the United States promoting what I think are values that are eternally good, living in the United States is a point of morality for me,” he said.




quote:

(July 20, 2022 / JNS) At the sold-out International Conservative Conference in Tel Aviv on Wednesday night, The Daily Wire’s editor emeritus Ben Shapiro explained why he has not moved to Israel.

After being asked the question by journalist Amit Segal, Shapiro told the more than 2,500 attendees that living in the United States is a “point of morality” for him.

Because the fundamental principles [of the United States] are good, eternally good, and worth upholding, and my fight to do that as Jew is deeply important not just to people who are not Jewish but particularly to Jews,” he said. “So, in other words, my Jewish mission does not conflict with my presence in the United States or my citizenship in the United States or my loyalty to the United States.”

When Segal pushed Shapiro, asking if all Jews should live in the State of Israel, the American Jewish conservative political commentator and columnist said he believed that he is doing good in the United States with his large audience.

Jews should live where they can be a light to the nations, and for me, as a person with millions and millions of followers in the United States promoting what I think are values that are eternally good, living in the United States is a point of morality for me.”

The event was co-hosted by the U.S.-based Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), Tel Aviv International Salon, Shibolet Press and Sella Meir Publishing.

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