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re: Sessions " be forewarned: This is a new era. This is the Trump era,”
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:11 pm to kingbob
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:11 pm to kingbob
There are some bad cops out there. We all know it. We've seen it. Hopefully that small group of a-hole cops don't frick decent people over. Don't get me wrong, I'm for the men in blue, but we know there are some out there who shouldn't be putting on that uniform.
Take weed off Schedule I and I'll be happy.
Take weed off Schedule I and I'll be happy.
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Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:14 pm to buckeye_vol
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What context?
crack, cocaine, heroin...etc etc etc.
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Getting rid of costly
Sometimes you have to spend to protect your people.
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ineffective
It needs tweaking. If you are going to fight it, fight it! Stop playing around.
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which would also give people more freedom?
Freedom of a 13 year old in the streets strung out because his mother was allowed her "freedom"?
Or a crack baby who did not ask to be born... but hell yeah!!!! we got our "freedom".
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How is that "bad" when the policy itself us far worse than just "bad?"
We have not had a war on drugs... we have had lip service.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:21 pm to AuburnTigers
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Now the cops will claim assault for being bumped and off you go to Fed prison.
Yeah...no.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:22 pm to kingbob
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So we should keep letting criminals administer them
No. We should actually go after them and stop playing the PC game.
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locking up addicts
Your freedom... you want that route, then don't ask for federal funds to treat them. Let them rot in the streets right?
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rather than allowing pharmacists and regulated businesses dispense them
We have a huge issue with Pharma drug addiction right now. And your answer is to allow pharmacies to dispense drugs and you think there won't be an issue with addiction?
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treating addicts?
Not with my tax dollars you aren't.
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Our current system benefits no one save cartels and law enforcement.
That's because we have paid lip service to it.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:23 pm to buckeye_vol
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Assault of a non-LEO should be treated the same as assault of an LEO.
Thats just dumb.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:25 pm to kingbob
Well then change the law. The justice department is not supposed to pick which laws to enforce
Change the drug laws and justice will quit enforcing them
Change the drug laws and justice will quit enforcing them
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:25 pm to buckeye_vol
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Getting rid of costly, ineffective, and often harmful policies, which would also give people more freedom?
Which drugs should remain illegal, and what is the extent of the "freedom" surrounding drug activity? Selling...manufacturing?
Just curious.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:26 pm to Dale51
quote:Assault is assault. I feel much the same way about hate crimes y. Why is a person assaulting any one of us non-LEO's any different than an LEO, especially given that they are given more power?
Thats just dumb.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:28 pm to MButterfly
Sessions is awful
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:29 pm to MButterfly
Just keep your slimy hands off our weed, and we'll be fine.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:29 pm to airfernando
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LE is out of control too. Many of them need beat downs.
Does the same apply to the out of control antifa types or just the run of the mill street azzholes LEO's encounter every day? Do they "need a beat down" too? Can the LEO's make the call and just give them the "beat down" they deserve?
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:33 pm to Dale51
quote:Well frankly I think criminalizing USE of any drug is a bad idea. And if selling and making are still going to be illegal for some drugs, at least exclude the ones that are natural substances that exist without human involvement.
Which drugs should remain illegal, and what is the extent of the "freedom" surrounding drug activity? Selling...manufacturing?
Just curious.
And maybe policy can also be tailored around scientific research regarding the lethality and dependency potential. When marijuana and heroine are on opposite sides of those, yet are treated as the same class of controlled substance, then we have just another classic case of the arbitrary and illogical government policies.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:38 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:This is a debate worth its own thread. We started one some time ago and I was ultimately persuaded by the "public order" argument.
Assault is assault. I feel much the same way about hate crimes y. Why is a person assaulting any one of us non-LEO's any different than an LEO, especially given that they are given more power?
Basically we're saying that any criminal brazen enough to target an officer/agent of the state charged with maintaining public order is himself a more considerable threat to public order than the criminal who simply targets other people.
But from a moral standpoint I'm with you. A guy who kills some dad on his way home to play with his kids during a carjacking or who assaults a coed out for a jog is definitely a bigger piece of shite to me than a guy who squares up against armed adversary [with the understanding that law enforcement and criminal elements are, by nature, in a de facto adversarial relationship]. A terrorist act that targets a public market is, to me, worse than one that targets a military barracks.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:40 pm to Navytiger74
I agree with both sides in a way.
I think the assaulting an officer bit is primarily to encourage peaceful detainment more than anything- not that assaulting an officer is somehow more morally reprehensible.
I think the assaulting an officer bit is primarily to encourage peaceful detainment more than anything- not that assaulting an officer is somehow more morally reprehensible.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:41 pm to MButterfly
These people are typically getting hooked on pills they were legally perscribed, but when they could not refill or get treatment, they're forced to go to dangerous cartels to get their fix.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:43 pm to gthog61
I want to change the laws, especially laws enabling civil asset forfeiture and allowing police eepartments to fund themselves with tickets and fines. We need to divorce ticket revenue from policing so that cops will spend their time investigating property crime and violent crime instead.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:46 pm to buckeye_vol
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if selling and making are still going to be illegal for some drugs, at least exclude the ones that are natural substances that exist without human involvement.
That can be a valid position to explore.
Again... we need to tweak somethings.
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When marijuana and heroine are on opposite sides of those, yet are treated as the same class of controlled substance, then we have just another classic case of the arbitrary and illogical government policies.
Sure we do. Again. Tweak. But when we lump the whole of any and everything under "Freedom", we have a problem.
We all know that the drug lords will not just go away quietly. They will create drugs cheaper that will be more harmful that will under cut the legalized highs that gang level populations can not afford anyway.
What we end up with is worse than we have now.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:49 pm to kingbob
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These people are typically getting hooked on pills they were legally perscribed, but when they could not refill or get treatment, they're forced to go to dangerous cartels to get their fix.
There is no logic in your end game. You want to legalize all drugs and have the same results. All that will happen is the cartels will create new drugs that are cheaper.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:50 pm to MButterfly
quote:I agree that the drug lords won't just go away quietly, but I completely disagree that it will make things worse. Many people would choose the legal, safer options and the demand for illegal drugs will decrease making it a less desirable black market.
We all know that the drug lords will not just go away quietly. They will create drugs cheaper that will be more harmful that will under cut the legalized highs that gang level populations can not afford anyway.
What we end up with is worse than we have now.
Besides, then the sole focus of drug policy can be on the few makers and distributors left rather than on everbody (including users).
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:52 pm to airfernando
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Screw Sessions for that crap. LE is out of control too. Many of them need beat downs.
There's probably never been a worse time in US history to be a LE office due to camera phones and social media.
Not making any comments on whether or not cops are 'our of control' because that goes on a case by case basis. But they have never before been on a shorter leash.
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