re: Science Increasingly Makes the Case for God--WSJ--Eric Metaxas

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In fairness, you can still blame God. It's not like it is some rock solid rule that Humanity is to suffer hardship for eternity because Adam and Eve chose not to stay blind and naked. God is the one that decided that.

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Well it is true that God allowed mankind the free will to make bad choices, but in the end that was a gift to humans, so that they could be their own moral agents. Even angels don't have the freedom to choose against God. Of course there are consequences for the poor choices often. God gave man the gift of free will so the fact that it was misused is hard to extend the blame much beyond those who were in the wrong.

God made the rules. You say that, not I.

He knew eve would eat the fruit. He wanted to torture you. To create you sick then command you to be well. Or, face eternity in hell.

You're scared of a vengeful god. Admit it. Sad.

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God made the rules. You say that, not I.

He knew eve would eat the fruit. He wanted to torture you. To create you sick then command you to be well. Or, face eternity in hell.

You're scared of a vengeful god. Admit it. Sad.

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yeah my favorite part of the Christian god.

Do what I tell you.

Or I will set you on fire.

forever.

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Evidence vs your feelings and experience. OK.

We now know that adam and eve myth is just that, a myth. DUH!

There was no garden of eden. There was no first human being, then a second human being made from the first's human's rib.

Instead, humanity goes back hundreds of thousands of years. We share the same ancestor as every other life form on this earth.

So, with no adam and eve, no talking snake, no evil fruit, there is no original sin. No need for salvation. The whole thing folds like a cheap suit.

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Interesting you are so sure of yourself yet there is not one thread, one smidgen of proof of evolution between genus of organisms and very little if any of evolution between species of organisms.

While very few people deny evolution of organisms, it is very hard to embrace that mammals evolved from microbial pools. It is theory. No critically thinking person can definitely declare that such a theory is fact.

But back to the point---as the author states--the evidence that intelligent design was a possibility is growing not shrinking.

A thought experiment. Lets create a new bible. Using science and evidence and reason and everything we've learned over the years, lets build the smartest most moral guide book possible. But we can't add magic.

At what point would we start copying and pasting from the bible? Never? Way down the process, for sure. Lets use the same standards of logic, reason, science, etc that we use with every other important exercise.

When do we insert the part about releasing doves during a woman's menstruation. How do some of you still buy into this stuff?

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A thought experiment. Lets create a new bible. Using science and evidence and reason and everything we've learned over the years, lets build the smartest most moral guide book possible. But we can't add magic.

At what point would we start copying and pasting from the bible? Never? Way down the process, for sure. Lets use the same standards of logic, reason, science, etc that we use with every other important exercise.

When do we insert the part about releasing doves during a woman's menstruation. How do some of you still buy into this stuff?

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What does any of that have to do with the OP??

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Interesting you are so sure of yourself yet there is not one thread, one smidgen of proof of evolution between genus of organisms and very little if any of evolution between species of organisms. While very few people deny evolution of

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That's a tell you aren't up on the topic.

There is an atheists bingo card that we play as your arguments get thrown up over and over, again

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That's a tell you aren't up on the topic.

There is an atheists bingo card that we play as your arguments get thrown up over and over, again

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I welcome proof the evolution of a lower genus of organisms into a higher one. Why don't you show us?

I could link dozens of the best minds on the planet explain it to you, but it wouldn't matter. You'd already have studied them. You decide to get your science from Kirk Cameron. He makes your argument. Good luck with that,

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Not every aspect of evolution is 100% understood, but at this point there really should be no doubt it occurs. It's as factual as any other well understood natural phenomenon.

On the other hand it's ludicrous to say that evolution has anything to say on the matter of god at all, let alone disproving god.

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This is true.

The unreasonable people in this debate it seems to me are those that declare definitively that all the theories are fact and that in and of itself is proof there is no God. How arrogant and stupid is that?

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For example, astrophysicists now know that the values of the four fundamental forces—gravity, the electromagnetic force, and the “strong” and “weak” nuclear forces—were determined less than one millionth of a second after the big bang. Alter any one value and the universe could not exist. For instance, if the ratio between the nuclear strong force and the electromagnetic force had been off by the tiniest fraction of the tiniest fraction—by even one part in 100,000,000,000,000,000—then no stars could have ever formed at all. Feel free to gulp.

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When you start thinking about just one thing out of millions of things that had to happen to get to where we are being accurate to one part in 100,000,000,000,000,000 you would be a fool to write off intelligent design.