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re: Science Increasingly Makes the Case for God--WSJ--Eric Metaxas
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:43 pm to I B Freeman
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:43 pm to I B Freeman
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If you believe all the universe was spontaneously created from nothing then why would not be open to the idea a supreme being caused it?? Just think of the mind boggling things that happened---give those incredible things is it really a stretch to be open to idea of God?
you miss the point.
You and people like you are positive that there is a god. And he is the god of the Christian mythos.
You have little doubt despite all the evidence to the contrary.
No one can be that sure of anything. And blind faith is ridiculous.
But as much shite as I give Team Jesus for their beliefs even I cannot say 1000 percent that there isn't anyone out there pulling strings.
The idea, however, that there is some Alien who happens to look human with a white beard who takes the time to individually listen to each of his billions of believers on this insignificant planet in an insignificant solar system and that as long as you swear an allegiance to him he won't condemn you to a life time of fire. Given all the planets and stars out there. It is beyond a ridiculous notion.
Hell its even ridiculous to say out loud.
My point of Odin being a more likely candidate to being the one true god is as valid as anyone else's belief in an all powerful deity.
That is to say it is ridiculous and unlikely and deserving of as much ridicule as I can heap upon it.
I love when the door-to-door jesus salesmen knock. Just had another one the other day.
Highly entertaining for me.
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Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:47 pm to asurob1
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You have little doubt despite all the evidence to the contrary.
Start by claiming science cannot offer any evidence of God and finish by claiming there evidence God does not exist. 
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:51 pm to asurob1
quote:Except that isn't your belief. That's the problem, rob. Why claim otherwise? Why not simply state your own actual beliefs and leave it at that.
My belief that Odin is the one true god
I guess you believe you and yours have no soul. Fine!
You don't know what to believe about origins of matter, so you bury your head in the sand, when the subject arises. That part I will never understand.
Science is about discovery. Discovery is an answer to curiosity. You're ready and willing to cede all that to someone else, to avoid personal contemplation. I do not get it. I really don't.
Instead of speaking positively re: your own beliefs, you feel need to attack others regarding theirs. You seem to enjoy that. Why?
You feel need to attack religion. Religion is a vessel, rob. It channels our collective efforts. Perhaps all to the same metaphysical end.
Who knows?
I don't. You don't.
We each have beliefs in that regard though, disparate as they may be.
Each is nonverifiable at this juncture.
This post was edited on 1/2/15 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:27 pm to NC_Tigah
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We each have beliefs in that regard though
In terms of God only one of has a belief. You believe God exists.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:35 pm to NC_Tigah
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Instead of speaking positively re: your own beliefs, you feel need to attack others regarding theirs. You seem to enjoy that. Why?
Religion literally holds us back as a civilization.
From the backwards beliefs regarding science to the many many many wars of religion that are still occurring today in the world.
If you have any doubts about that, just check out the latest news coming from the middle east, africa, hell even asia. Wars over religion.
Religion can be a powerful thing, even a good thing. But absolute power corrupts absolutely, we see this over and over and over with religious figures.
I honestly wonder how much further as a civilization we would be if only Bronze Age beliefs weren't checking our progress.
I have said multiple times I absolutely admire the faith some people have about their mythos. But leave those of us who don't believe in anything beyond humanity alone.
Religious people can't do that. They constantly meddle and frick with the rest of us. Try to impose their ridiculous infantile belief systems on the us.
From stupidity like sex education (believe me the bullshite taught here in arizona was beyond ridiculous) to evolutionary theories. Religious people are constantly trying to force their views on the rest of us.
I find it entertaining when they freak out when people like me push back.
Every time team jesus rolls in here with yet another religious thread, I sit quietly and watch the back and forth. Just like the abortion debate you aren't changing anyone's mind. But I find it entertaining to challenge people beliefs. You call it attacking I call it challenging. We can agree to disagree on the terminology.
The OP's original article was beyond stupid. It wasn't close to being scientific.
As far as the way the rest of the thread ran.
That happens each time religion is brought up. You know it, I know it and chicken knows it. It is why he banned such conversations.
However, as long as people are willing to toss religion out there as a topic. Then all views will be heard. Even my poorly formed argument that Odin is actually the one true god.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:40 pm to asurob1
quote:
you miss the point.
You and people like you are positive that there is a god. And he is the god of the Christian mythos.
You have little doubt despite all the evidence to the contrary.
I don't recall taking that position BUT you have taken the definitive position there is no god and I am simply curious as to how if believe all these other miracles of creation happened from nothing you are so sure there is no God of any kind?
Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:42 pm to Hester Carries
quote:If that's your belief, it's certainly your prerogative.
In terms of God only one of has a belief.
Unless you're agnostic, it is not terribly credible claim as it refuses consideration of origins. But to each his own. It is certainly an argument commonly attempted by athiests.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:42 pm to I B Freeman
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all these other miracles of creation
I dont accept that premise.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:43 pm to asurob1
every poster in this thread is an atheist.......
with regard to
with regard to
quote:quote:
Odin
Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:44 pm to NC_Tigah
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Unless you're agnostic
Any rationale person would admit they are. It just a matter of which side they lean towards.
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it is not terribly credible claim as it refuses consideration of origins
Not even sure what this mean.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:45 pm to Hester Carries
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quote:
all these other miracles of creation
I dont accept that premise.
How about these "otherwise statistically impossible happenings" of creation occrued.
This post was edited on 1/2/15 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:46 pm to I B Freeman
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miracles of creation happened from nothing
They are not miracles. Miracles imply that your all powerful flying spaghetti monster had a noodle in them.
That is precisely where you are confused.
;-).
Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:48 pm to I B Freeman
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otherwise statistically impossible happenings
Every statistic is possible...no matter how lean the odds are.
Your belief that they aren't is is sad.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:48 pm to I B Freeman
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otherwise statistically impossible happenings
Impossible? No. I dont accept that all. You might even say improbable and thats debatable.
quote:
creation
And i dont accept this either.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:53 pm to Hester Carries
quote:Well there you have it.quote:Not even sure what this mean.
it is not terribly credible claim as it refuses consideration of origins
Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:57 pm to asurob1
quote:
otherwise statistically impossible happenings
Every statistic is possible...no matter how lean the odds are.
Your belief that they aren't is is sad.
how about this
"events so overwhelmingly statistically improbable no intelligent person could expect them to happen"
So then your definitive position on the existence of a god ignores the your state "no matter how lean the odds are"?
The odds of a tornado hitting a junk yard and a fully functional 747 emerging from the storm are less than the odds the universe came to be from nothing.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 3:03 pm to I B Freeman
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The odds of a tornado hitting a junk yard and a fully functional 747 emerging from the storm are less than the odds the universe came to be from nothing.
And the odds of a particular raindrop landing on a particular grain of sand in your driveway are equally astronomical, yet it happens everyday
everything that happens is highly unlikely in the big picture, but something's gonna happen anyway
Posted on 1/2/15 at 3:05 pm to I B Freeman
The problem with statistical odds Of the universe are there is this in definite thing that determines with the denominator is. Also if somethings one in 1,000,000,000,000% chance of happening that seems highly improbable except for trillions of things have happened and there are trillions if planets and trillions of stars. To say something is a miracle because it has such an improbable chance of happening is to greatly underestimate the amount of things that I've ever happened
This post was edited on 1/2/15 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 1/2/15 at 3:05 pm to I B Freeman
Every statistical possibility is possible.
It is very possible that on this insignificant 3rd rock from an even more insignificant star in a generally sparse part of our galaxy (in terms of star populations) that life was a happy accident and life exists no where else in the universe. Unlikely, but possible.
And that is far and away more likely then some guy you pray to every night is both listening and guiding his will through you.
It is very possible that on this insignificant 3rd rock from an even more insignificant star in a generally sparse part of our galaxy (in terms of star populations) that life was a happy accident and life exists no where else in the universe. Unlikely, but possible.
And that is far and away more likely then some guy you pray to every night is both listening and guiding his will through you.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 3:09 pm to TigerRad
quote:Virtually impossible, even.
equally astronomical
But of the two disparate impossibilities, we know one actually occurred.
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