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Posted on 4/16/24 at 6:27 am to jonnyanony
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No, the production crew was completely negligent from the top.
Remind me again who the producer and production owner was again?
Oh yeah. Alec Baldwin.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 7:03 am to WPBTiger
quote:Absolutely not true. I learned at a very early age that all guns are assumed to be loaded and lethal. Treat them as such.
"You alone turned a safe weapon into a lethal weapon,"
Posted on 4/16/24 at 7:10 am to Jack Ruby
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I mean... Even as much as I dislike Baldwin, the armorer was 100% responsible for that incident.
They both have responsibility. She was negligent and he pulled the trigger.
If a car owner lets someone drive their car who doesn’t know how, and they fatally hit someone, you think the car owner is the only responsible party?
Posted on 4/16/24 at 7:13 am to Strannix
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He pointed a loaded gun at her and pulled the trigger. He is responsible
Okay, so what is she, is she not responsible? I haven't followed any of this closely, but it sounds like she intentionally brought live ammo to the set and loaded it in a gun. Was there even a reason to have live ammo on the set?
Posted on 4/16/24 at 7:24 am to Steadyhands
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Okay, so what is she, is she not responsible? I
She is a link in the chain of responsibility.
During a rehearsed scene, Baldwin by SAG rules should have never pointed and shot the director abd the dead lady.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 7:27 am to ibldprplgld
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They both have responsibility. She was negligent and he pulled the trigger.
I watched a lot of the interviews. Hannah had no business being on that set.
She had no desire to do her job, and part of the reason is her duties were split and she wasnt happy about it IMO.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 7:36 am to mmcgrath
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o according to you, no child actor can even hold a prop gun without being a certified expert and is 100% responsible for anything going wrong. Glad reality doesn't share your point of view.
These posts prove several facts:
1) Progressives will defend one of their own to the literal death. Murder, pedophelia...no crime is too much for the progressive voter to defend their ilk.
2) Progressives continuously prove over and over they don't know shite about guns or gun safety, yet don't want you to have one...
Unless, apparently, if you are an actor that votes Democrat, then someone can hand you a loaded gun and you can just waive it around like a dumbass.
Watching the left of this board actively defend pedophiles last week, and now murderers this week. What a world.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 7:39 am to mmcgrath
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She is 100% responsible.
No, Baldwin did shite that youre never supposed to do.
For literally no reason.
He's handled set firearms many times, youre just dumb. Hes already been caught lying about it.
This post was edited on 4/16/24 at 7:39 am
Posted on 4/16/24 at 7:42 am to wareaglepete
quote:It is a term of art (shorthand) on a movie set, and the judge utilized that term in a trial about the use of a weapon on a movie setquote:Wow. A judge really said this. Our Justice system is becoming downright frightening.
a safe weapon
You see that as some sort of blanket indictment of the judiciary?
Posted on 4/16/24 at 7:43 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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1) Progressives will defend one of their own to the literal death
Indeed.
They do what they accuse Trumpites of doing.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 7:46 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:What do you mean by this?
her duties were split and she wasnt happy about it IMO.
My recollection is that her duties were broader than usual for a set armorer, because this was a low budget film, and they did not have funds to pay for “full” staffing.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 7:48 am to OzonaOkapi
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her duties were split and she wasnt happy about it IMO.
What do you mean by this?
She was also doing other prop work.
Turned out her prop work was larger than her Armorer work. She was in a transition supposedly when this occurred.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 7:51 am to momentoftruth87
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Well get less time than Hannah
As he should. There are three angles here, assuming there is not a fourth person who put the live ammo in the gun intentionally.
1. The armorer who was irresponsible and has been appropriately sentenced.
2. The actor who pointed the gun who is almost completely blameless and should definitely not be punished.
3. The Producers who hired a frivolous kid to be the armorer.
Baldwin was the actor. In this role he is blameless (assuming he didn’t intentionally kill the poor woman). But he was also one of the producers. In that role he must share some blame for what happened. But that blame is civil, not criminal.
As much as many would like to get Baldwin because of his political views he should not get any jail time
Posted on 4/16/24 at 7:54 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:So we are essentially saying the same thing, but using different terminology (I would say that her duties were “expanded“ or even “doubled” rather than “split”).
She was also doing other prop work. Turned out her prop work was larger than her Armorer work. She was in a transition supposedly when this occurred.
Thanks.
This post was edited on 4/16/24 at 7:59 am
Posted on 4/16/24 at 7:56 am to jrodLSUke
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Whoever is responsible for making a 24 year old the armorer is also responsible. Why give that job to a dumb 24 year old?
DEI!
Posted on 4/16/24 at 7:56 am to Penrod
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As much as many would like to get Baldwin because of his political views he should not get any jail time
So if someone hands me a gun, then I point it at someone and pull the trigger and it fires, it isn't my fault?
LOLOLOL
This would NEVER happen for an ordinary citizen in this country. NEVER.
FIRST thing my father taught me was IF you are handed a gun, NEVER point it at anyone no matter what. Second, make sure it isn't loaded before you handle it.
When I got my gun safety card (still in my wallet since 1986) those two items above were the FIRST things they told us.
So why don't these simple rules apply to a famous actor?
Posted on 4/16/24 at 7:57 am to Penrod
quote:The problem with this analysis is that he was only charged under theory “2“ (actor) and not under theory “3” (producer).
There are three angles here, assuming there is not a fourth person who put the live ammo in the gun intentionally. 1. The armorer who was irresponsible and has been appropriately sentenced. 2. The actor who pointed the gun who is almost completely blameless and should definitely not be punished. 3. The Producers who hired a frivolous kid to be the armorer. Baldwin was the actor. In this role he is blameless (assuming he didn’t intentionally kill the poor woman). But he was also one of the producers. In that role he must share some blame for what happened. But that blame is civil, not criminal.
Check the indictment. Both counts relate to the actual “use“ of the firearm.
EDIT
Why the downvote? The indictment (called an "information" in New Mexico) is clear on this point.
This post was edited on 4/16/24 at 8:09 am
Posted on 4/16/24 at 8:00 am to Penrod
quote:Not at the time he pointed a real gun at an innocent bystander and pulled the trigger on said real gun. So had some other person that was not an actor had done this, they would be responsible? That's nonsense.
Baldwin was the actor.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 8:09 am to WPBTiger
This means nothing will happen to Baldwin. They are going to place all the blame on her and say he thought he was given a safe weapon!
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