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re: Ron Paul - Sanctions an Act of War
Posted on 3/15/14 at 11:50 pm to trackfan
Posted on 3/15/14 at 11:50 pm to trackfan
quote:He's definitely gotten better. He picks easier fights too.
Rand's interview with Rachel Maddow in 2010 was done early in his political career before he learned the art of obfuscation, parsing and deflection, but since then he's gotten a lot better.
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Posted on 3/15/14 at 11:54 pm to trackfan
quote:I don't think he's a pacifist, but I do think there needs to be some sort of sanctions at a minimum. Allowing Putin to invade a country with no consequences sets bad precedent. He already got away with Georgia. The little fricker is gonna want more and more.
If this were true, and Ron was really the pacifist/isolationist that you say he is, he would have never joined the military as a young man.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 11:56 pm to RollTide1987
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Take the Rwandan Genocide of 1994. In a 100-day period, almost 1,000,000 Rwandans were slaughtered by the Hutus. Such actions should not be allowed to continue for an extended period of time.
Did you write or call your Congressman or Senators at the time this was going on?
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World War II is another great example of how non-interventionism can backfire. Had the U.S. played a bigger role in world affairs in the years after World War I, perhaps the Second World War would not have been as costly or as long as it was.
What specifically do you think the U.S. should have been doing before Hitler invaded Poland?
Posted on 3/15/14 at 11:58 pm to Zed
[quote] Allowing Putin to invade a country with no consequences sets bad precedent[/
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Let those Europe deal with it.
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Let those Europe deal with it.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 11:59 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Why is it that when some government somewhere over on the other side of the world decides to attack someone, all of a sudden, it's my problem and I need to give tax money in order to do something about it? I didn't have anything to do with it.
This post was edited on 3/16/14 at 12:00 am
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:02 am to Gmorgan4982
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Why is it that when some government somewhere over on the other side of the world decides to attack someone, all of a sudden, it's my problem and I need to give tax money in order to do something about it?
Because people like being the biggest and baddest on the block and think our survival depends on it. Other nations are prospering because we provide them security, at our taxpayers expense.
Time to let them foot the bill.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:05 am to Gmorgan4982
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Why is it that when some government somewhere over on the other side of the world decides to attack someone, all of a sudden, it's my problem and I need to give tax money in order to do something about it? I didn't have anything to do with it.
American Exceptionalism?
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:23 am to trackfan
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Did you write or call your Congressman or Senators at the time this was going on?
I was just about to turn 7 years old when the Rwandan genocide started. What do you think?
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What specifically do you think the U.S. should have been doing before Hitler invaded Poland?
Well...let's see.
1) We should have told Clemenceau to die in a fire instead of allowing him to inflict such tough penalties on Germany. Wilson had the political clout at the end of the First World War to do just that.
2) We should have entered into the League of Nations and insisted Germany be allowed to do so as well.
3) Instead of leaving Germany to rot, we should have taken the lead and helped them rebuild their economy instead of standing by and letting France force them to pay them money they didn't have.
4) We shouldn't have allowed Europe to throw Japan by the wayside like they did in the aftermath of World War I. They were part of the Entente and they got the shaft. Same with Italy. Promises were made to both countries and very few, if any, came to fruition.
Had we followed these four simple and logical steps, Hitler more than likely doesn't come to power and Japan and Italy more than likely do not become belligerent.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:53 am to Big12fan
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insisting the Crimean people have the right to align their territory with Moscow and characterising sanctions against Russia as “an act of war”.
Shouldn't they have that right?
Posted on 3/16/14 at 9:40 am to Zed
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This is the sort of shite that bothers me about him and his son.
His son? Rand has called for sanctions against Russia. Hell, he even supported sanctions against Iran. Are you confused or purposely trying to mislead people?
Posted on 3/16/14 at 10:02 am to Bucktown Tigah
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His son? Rand has called for sanctions against Russia. Hell, he even supported sanctions against Iran. Are you confused or purposely trying to mislead people?
Actually Rand is one of two Republican Senators who opposed the Iran sanction/war bill.
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Posted on 3/16/14 at 10:55 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Other nations are prospering because we provide them security, at our taxpayers expense.
Time to let them foot the bill.
This. THIS. 1000 x this.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 10:55 am to Bucktown Tigah
quote:He has a mixed record on sanctions that may or may not be influenced by his desired public perception. If his views on Ukraine are genuine, they more or less fit my own.
His son? Rand has called for sanctions against Russia. Hell, he even supported sanctions against Iran.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 11:05 am to Big12fan
Posted on 3/16/14 at 11:25 am to Zed
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military isolation
Paul is not a strict military isolationist. He simply supports the non-aggression principle.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 11:36 am to Zed
I think that deep down, Rand is a lot more like his father than he wants us to believe, but he realized that he had to calibrate and trim his message just enough to maintain his Presidential viability. Similarly I think that Ted Cruz is a lot more like his father than he's letting on and Obama is a lot more like Jeremiah Wright than he's let on, not in temperament but in ideology. If you think about it, there's probably not a single President in recent history who didn't do this to some extent, because most of us have at least a couple of opinions that would cripple us if we were to decide to run for President.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 11:39 am to trackfan
quote:I agree.
think that deep down, Rand is a lot more like his father than he wants us to believe, but he realized that he had to calibrate and trim his message just enough to maintain his Presidential viability. Similarly I think that Ted Cruz is a lot more like his father than he's letting on and Obama is a lot more like Jeremiah Wright than he's let on, not in temperament but in ideology. If you think about it, there's probably not a single President in recent history who didn't do this to some extent, because most of us have at least a couple of opinions that would cripple us if we were to decide to run for President.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 3:38 pm to THRILLHO
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Economic sanctions can frick a country up, but it's a much better alternative to boots on the ground and it can be equally effective. My feelings on the matter are that, if sanctions cause innocents to starve, it's still better than bombing them and/or risking the lives of US soldiers. Probably cheaper too.
The downfall to these sanctions is that you are talking about Russia, not some 3rd world middle eastern country that is reliant on imports.
If we impose sanctions on them, they have a pretty large hand in the global market. We export many agriculture products to them, they can stop importing those and the agriculture markets will drop. Russia controls a lot of natural gas that goes to Europe..they can shut that off and cause high energy costs over there.
China has also warned us about meddling with Russia through economic sanctions. They might retaliate with actions of their own against us, further throwing a wrench into the markets and slowing our economic growth.
Sanctions may not be an act of war technically, but imposing them leads to a lot of economic change pretty rapidly, and that can ultimately cause nations to drift toward war. Money drives everything
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