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re: Ron Paul - Sanctions an Act of War
Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:13 pm to Sentrius
Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:13 pm to Sentrius
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I want to engage in commerce with other countries, share ideas to advance education, medicine and infrastructure.
Noble ideals no doubt. But I have yet to see any mechanism for implementation. One poster above said he didnt really care how we replace defense spending, one said "let the market decide".
And no one addressed the power vacuum issue. We keep the trade lanes open with a big Navy and everyone benefits. I just dont think China or Russia are going to do the same.
Love some of the ideas but they dont seem viable reality.
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Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:15 pm to Zed
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If one is unwilling to consider economic and military policies separately, and accepts the definition of non interventionism to the exclusion of isolationism, because the former word exists in the dictionary, sure. I'll still consider him a military isolationist, while acknowledging his free trade views, and that another more attractive label exists to describe his views.
Since you didn't answer me the first time, I will ask you again. If Ron Paul is militarily a isolationist to you, then what do you define as being military a non-interventionist?
Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:18 pm to Lakeboy7
The stupidity being posted in this thread is symptomatic of why we are so fricked as a country. Doesn't matter if it's an R or a D that leads the charge to oblivion.
Economic sanctions are absolutely an act of war. The Ukraine/Crimea/Russia has absolutely zippo to do with us. We are NOT the world's god damn policemen. The fact that a large portion of our economy has something to do with the artifices of war is NOT a good thing. Nor is it something we should use as a frickING JUSTIFICATION FOR WAR.
Christ, I hope every last one of you ignorant, moronic mother frickers forget to show up at the polls for the next election, whether you thought you were going to stamp R or D.
Economic sanctions are absolutely an act of war. The Ukraine/Crimea/Russia has absolutely zippo to do with us. We are NOT the world's god damn policemen. The fact that a large portion of our economy has something to do with the artifices of war is NOT a good thing. Nor is it something we should use as a frickING JUSTIFICATION FOR WAR.
Christ, I hope every last one of you ignorant, moronic mother frickers forget to show up at the polls for the next election, whether you thought you were going to stamp R or D.
This post was edited on 3/15/14 at 9:19 pm
Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:19 pm to Turkey_Creek_Tiger
quote:I've asked the same question. Militarily, I don't know how he differs from pure isolationism. If he supports any international treaties or alliances, I suppose that would be a difference, but I don't know his positions well enough to answer your question.
Since you didn't answer me the first time, I will ask you again. If Ron Paul is militarily a isolationist to you, then what do you define as being military a non-interventionist?
Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:19 pm to Lakeboy7
quote:Oh, I didn't know that's what you wanted addressed. Yeah, just like I don't care how we replace defense spending, I don't care about the power vacuum either.
And no one addressed the power vacuum issue
Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:20 pm to AUin02
quote:You are definitely not presidential material.
Economic sanctions are absolutely an act of war. The Ukraine/Crimea/Russia has absolutely zippo to do with us. We are NOT the world's god damn policemen. The fact that a large portion of our economy has something to do with the artifices of war is NOT a good thing. Nor is it something we should use as a frickING JUSTIFICATION FOR WAR.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:23 pm to Gmorgan4982
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You are definitely not presidential material.
I'll take that as a compliment.
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anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.
-Douglas Adams
Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:26 pm to Sentrius
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I want to engage in commerce with other countries, share ideas to advance education, medicine and infrastructure.
Yeah and Id like my shite to smell like rainbow sherbet but that aint happening either.
Paul is a kook who is trying to implement the policies of a nation of 13 former colonies in a worldwide global superpower.
This post was edited on 3/15/14 at 9:56 pm
Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:27 pm to AUin02
quote:To the extent that Putin bullying and annexing neighbors is the extent of his ambition, and our reaction goes unnoticed by China, you're correct.
The Ukraine/Crimea/Russia has absolutely zippo to do with us.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:28 pm to Adam Banks
What does that even mean? You're not making a point. I know you think you are, though.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:29 pm to Gmorgan4982
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Love that quote.
I'm not sure if there's a Douglas Adams quote I don't like, honestly.
The one about the lizards is another fave, and also strongly applies to people here, there, and everywhere.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:30 pm to AUin02
quote:
Economic sanctions are absolutely an act of war. The Ukraine/Crimea/Russia has absolutely zippo to do with us. We are NOT the world's god damn policemen. The fact that a large portion of our economy has something to do with the artifices of war is NOT a good thing. Nor is it something we should use as a frickING JUSTIFICATION FOR WAR.
Hypothetically, if barracuda Putin might want to annex Poland or Romania next, what would be the proper course for a Libertarian to take?
Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:30 pm to Adam Banks
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Paul is a kook who is trying to implement the policies of a nation of 13 former colonies in a worldwide global superpower.
So you're saying the good ideas of the past are not good ideas for the present? Well that's a crying shame, why do we even bother writing all that silly history shite down then...
Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:31 pm to Big12fan
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Hypothetically, if barracuda Putin might want to annex Poland or Romania next, what would be the proper course for a Libertarian to take?
Well, there's this little treaty thing we signed that would kind of sort of apply to us in that situation...
Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:31 pm to Big12fan
quote:As a libertarian, I would do whatever I was going to do that day.
Hypothetically, if barracuda Putin might want to annex Poland or Romania next, what would be the proper course for a Libertarian to take?
Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:33 pm to Gmorgan4982
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What does that even mean? You're not making a point. I know you think you are, though.
We are a global superpower who will be brought into war one way or another. Downsizing and reducing our overseas bases is just putting us in a poor strategic position, not encouraging a worldwide kumbaya.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:34 pm to Adam Banks
quote:So I am going to be attacked if I don't attack first? I'm not going to buy that.
We are a global superpower who will be brought into war one way or another
Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:37 pm to Adam Banks
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We are a global superpower who will be brought into war one way or another.
Pretty sure there's only one way we're supposed to enter a war and it's outlined in Article 1, Section 8 of th...oh of that silly thing that espouses the ideals meant for 13 former colonies, not a super power.
Silly me. Carry on then.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:38 pm to Zed
quote:There is no such term as "military isolationism". The term is "military non-interventionism".
Isolationism involved military and economic isolation. That one does not agree with economic isolation does not negate that one agrees with military isolation. You can acknowledge isolationist tendencies, military or economic, while applying whatever other labels one prefers.
There also is no such term as "economic isolationism". What you are referring to is called "protectionism".
Your terminology is not correct.
This post was edited on 3/15/14 at 9:40 pm
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