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re: Ron Paul - Sanctions an Act of War
Posted on 3/15/14 at 8:27 pm to TN Bhoy
Posted on 3/15/14 at 8:27 pm to TN Bhoy
quote:
Libertarianism has been exposed during this crisis.
Isolationism =/= Non interventionism
I want to engage in commerce with other countries, share ideas to advance education, medicine and infrastructure. I don't want to fight other people's wars and colonizing other countries.
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Posted on 3/15/14 at 8:27 pm to Lakeboy7
1. What do you want explained here?
2. Don't know. Replacing it with nothing would be good with me.
2. Don't know. Replacing it with nothing would be good with me.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 8:29 pm to Zed
quote:That makes no senses. He's a non-interventionalist to the T.
I'll acknowledge that isolationism and non interventionism are not synonymous, and that Ron Paul is not a strict isolationist. Realistically he's something in between. Militarily he's absolutely isolationist.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 8:31 pm to Lakeboy7
quote:I'm not saying I agree with a non-interventionalist foreign policy.
I understand the distinction.
Now, tell me how:
1. We bring the boys home for good it is going to create a power vacuum, I'm not comfortable with China or Russia taking that role;
2. Defense spending is a huge part of our economy, what repalces that?
I'm just telling Zed to use the right words.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 8:31 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:At least I'm not the only one.
That makes no sense
Posted on 3/15/14 at 8:33 pm to Lakeboy7
quote:
Defense spending is a huge part of our economy, what repalces that?
nothing. Paul believes that he can cut enough government spending to eliminate the income tax entirely.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 8:34 pm to Lakeboy7
quote:
1. We bring the boys home for good it is going to create a power vacuum, I'm not comfortable with China or Russia taking that role;
Russia is acting an arse, but let's see how they would act if we cut off most of the demand for their oil (again, Western Europe, given the choice of trading with the US or Russia, will choose us). China isn't going to do shite as long as we keep buying from them, not to mention borrowing from them.
quote:
2. Defense spending is a huge part of our economy, what repalces that?
Take the money we were spending on "defense", put it back in the private sector, and let the market decide what replaces it.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 8:34 pm to Big12fan
I hope people understand and see the difference between Rand Paul and his father
Posted on 3/15/14 at 8:34 pm to Zed
quote:
Militarily he's absolutely isolationist.
what is your definition of someone who is militarily a non-interventionist?
Posted on 3/15/14 at 8:35 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:If one is unwilling to consider economic and military policies separately, and accepts the definition of non interventionism to the exclusion of isolationism, because the former word exists in the dictionary, sure. I'll still consider him a military isolationist, while acknowledging his free trade views, and that another more attractive label exists to describe his views.
That makes no senses. He's a non-interventionalist to the T.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 8:37 pm to Zed
Posted on 3/15/14 at 8:38 pm to Choctaw
quote:
I hope people understand and see the difference between Rand Paul and his father
I would prefer and love Ron Paul as POTUS as opposed to Rand.
He would do what's needed for this country no matter how many people complain and cry about it.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 8:41 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:If you look through the dictionary, you'll find the word progressive exists as well, and liberal too. You might find the definitions sound similar as well.
I'm just telling Zed to use the right words.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 8:42 pm to Zed
quote:Except "non-intervention" wasn't created in order to put a nice-sounding spin on "isolationist".
If you look through the dictionary, you'll find the word progressive exists as well, and liberal too. You might find the definitions sound similar as well.
It's a completely different thing. They are not one in the same.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 8:43 pm to Zed
So we'll just trash the dictionary definition because that's what's happened to some other words? Interesting way of going about it, I guess.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 8:52 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:Both have been around for quite a while to my knowledge. Isolationism isn't as popular, whatever that means to the average person.
Except "non-intervention" wasn't created in order to put a nice-sounding spin on "isolationist".
quote:There are legitimate differences in economic policies, and similarities in military policies. When people call him an isolationist they are obviously referencing his military positions, however misinformed they may be as to the dictionary definition of isolationism and economic considerations.
It's a completely different thing. They are not one in the same.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:03 pm to Zed
quote:That's not correct, either. That would be "military non-interventionism".
When people call him an isolationist they are obviously referencing his military positions
Isolationism is the whole system of isolating a country from the rest of the world in many ways... military non-intervention is one of those ways.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:05 pm to Big12fan
So, at first Obama was a disgrace for not intervening and showing force with the Crimea situation and now Obama is a disgrace if he does.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:10 pm to Asgard Device
quote:Nah. He was a disgrace for a multitude of other reasons.
So, at first Obama was a disgrace for not intervening and showing force with the Crimea situation
Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:10 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:Isolationism involved military and economic isolation. That one does not agree with economic isolation does not negate that one agrees with military isolation. You can acknowledge isolationist tendencies, military or economic, while applying whatever other labels one prefers.
Isolationism is the whole system of isolating a country from the rest of the world in many ways... military non-intervention is one of those ways.
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