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re: RFK Jr. says there will be COVID trials
Posted on 11/15/24 at 10:58 am to crazy4lsu
Posted on 11/15/24 at 10:58 am to crazy4lsu
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if you actually read my posts and understood them
You really just can't help yourself.
Did you defend the covid vaccine as an effective vaccine in the pre covid sense of the word?
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Posted on 11/15/24 at 11:04 am to crazy4lsu
Crazy4 is now a pariah to humanity. Shame, shame, shame.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 11:07 am to SCLibertarian
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Never forget nor forgive the Covid tyrants. Destroy them completely.
Anyone that knew one thing and said the opposite deserves it
Posted on 11/15/24 at 11:11 am to LNCHBOX
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Did you defend the covid vaccine as an effective vaccine in the pre covid sense of the word?
As in, did I think the mRNA vaccine produced immunity? It did, confirmed by lab work which shows different antibody profiles between natural infection and vaccine mediated protection. But I also said that the antibody profile for the vaccine was too narrow for it to be effective unless very specific conditions were met, which were decidedly not met by the time the vaccines were rolled out. I believe I was one of the first to point out that a stepwise vaccine release program would prolong the course of infection through a population because it would RNA viruses retain degrees of genetic diversity which would make mutations around the specific mRNA vaccine protein much more prevalent. The narrow molecular profile of the vaccine meant you needed a massive, worldwide rollout, and as soon as they confirmed that the mRNA technology was proprietary, I said that they were prolonging the pandemic.
The mRNA technology is useful but it wasn't used to its fullest extent during the pandemic, and was the wrong vehicle for this particular pathogen.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 11:11 am to Dirk Dawgler
Nah not really. My patients love me.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 11:11 am to Night Vision
Fauci?
Posted on 11/15/24 at 11:12 am to crazy4lsu
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As in, did I think the mRNA vaccine produced immunity? It did
Yep, nothing controversial here
Posted on 11/15/24 at 11:14 am to LNCHBOX
What? It produced antibodies which we could verify on lab work. There are several more controversial sentences in that post. And you wonder why I think you can't read. Alas.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 11:16 am to crazy4lsu
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What? It produced antibodies which we could verify on lab work. There are several more controversial sentences in that post. And you wonder why I think you can't read. Alas.
Did teh definition of immunity change? Because I can't count the number of people I know that got mRNA vaccines for Covid and get it multiple times.
But I probably just can't read.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 11:35 am to LNCHBOX
Do you want me to be technical? Because the definition of 'immunity' in the immunology textbooks referenced protection as a standard of immunity much earlier than the CDC did, with the earliest reference I found from the mid-2000s. The question is why didn't the CDC reflect those changes in their definition earlier, as they updated the definitions previously until they became congruent with the academic textbook definition in 2021.
And people got COVID multiple times despite taking the mRNA vaccine because it had a narrow molecular profile. The virus itself has far more immunogenic material than just the spike protein, which is how we could differentiate it vaccine-mediated protection. Because there was lots of immunogenic material (meaning that they would produce an antibody response) and that this immunogenic material was the most likely to mutate as it encountered environmental changes induced by previous infections, of course people would have multiple infections. The body will produce a cytokine response for any immunogenic material, and a mutation at a key site would result in another adaptive response because antibodies are highly specific.
I'd argue that the design of the vaccine, with a narrow profile and a piecemeal rollout prolonged the course of the pandemic. I argued as such from very early on. As for why, the reason was clearly the profits of Moderna and Pfizer, who unlike previous disease control efforts, kept their technology proprietary, undercutting the notion that the pathogen was serious at all.
And people got COVID multiple times despite taking the mRNA vaccine because it had a narrow molecular profile. The virus itself has far more immunogenic material than just the spike protein, which is how we could differentiate it vaccine-mediated protection. Because there was lots of immunogenic material (meaning that they would produce an antibody response) and that this immunogenic material was the most likely to mutate as it encountered environmental changes induced by previous infections, of course people would have multiple infections. The body will produce a cytokine response for any immunogenic material, and a mutation at a key site would result in another adaptive response because antibodies are highly specific.
I'd argue that the design of the vaccine, with a narrow profile and a piecemeal rollout prolonged the course of the pandemic. I argued as such from very early on. As for why, the reason was clearly the profits of Moderna and Pfizer, who unlike previous disease control efforts, kept their technology proprietary, undercutting the notion that the pathogen was serious at all.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 11:47 am to fightvance
No reason why you can buy the same drugs in Mexico for a fraction of what they cost in the U. S. other than greed. He will bring down the cost of medications so people don't have to choose whether to buy food or medications.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 11:53 am to SCLibertarian
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Never forget nor forgive the Covid tyrants. Destroy them completely.
Can't be stated enough.
Posted on 11/15/24 at 12:00 pm to Night Vision
If all RFK does is remove pharma ads I will be happy
Posted on 11/15/24 at 12:09 pm to Night Vision
There was a covid commercial last night on hulu smh
Posted on 11/15/24 at 12:13 pm to Night Vision
Can they get Fauci?
Posted on 11/15/24 at 12:18 pm to texag7
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Fauci
Needs to be incarcerated and subsist perpetually on panga and bats.
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