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re: "reverse HIV" with vaccine. Laboratory findings...

Posted on 11/2/21 at 2:42 pm to
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 11/2/21 at 2:42 pm to
Just stop.


You are so stuck in your self that you fail to grasp what's being said.


1- You refuse to even name anything.

2- You have ZERO clue as to what he has nor has not mentioned.

3- You don't even know if he has look at anything else or not.


When you are ready to pick this back up, let me know.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
78028 posts
Posted on 11/2/21 at 2:43 pm to
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You've become the thing you hate
He's always been that way. His nickname is jjbot.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55377 posts
Posted on 11/2/21 at 2:43 pm to
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You understand I have quite a few qualifications myself, correct? His qualifications don't matter if the actual content of his argument is poor, which it is.



Yeah... no.

Like I said.. You have zero idea none.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55377 posts
Posted on 11/2/21 at 2:45 pm to
There you are.... Welcome back. Go on and knock the source. The Dr who owns one of the largest labs in that state.


Do it.


Go ahead.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
78028 posts
Posted on 11/2/21 at 2:45 pm to
He's a quack.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55377 posts
Posted on 11/2/21 at 2:46 pm to
LOL! There it is!!!


Great job!


Posted by TOSOV
Member since Jan 2016
8922 posts
Posted on 11/2/21 at 2:49 pm to
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people who got the jab have nuked their immune system and are walking petri dishes.


At a 4th grade level...how so?
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
78028 posts
Posted on 11/2/21 at 2:51 pm to
Evidence has been posted about this before. Look it up.

Keep on believing that the vaccine is going to give people AIDS, though.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39158 posts
Posted on 11/2/21 at 2:51 pm to
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1- You refuse to even name anything.



Literally every intracellular pathogen will produce a Th1 response, which will produce a CD8 response. Though there is a slight difference, there are multiple metabolites which are the same between viruses and other intracellular pathogens. Saying there is a resultant deficiency of a CD8 response at all is so nonsensical that it beggars belief this guy makes it.
This post was edited on 11/2/21 at 3:02 pm
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39158 posts
Posted on 11/2/21 at 2:52 pm to
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Like I said.. You have zero idea none.



Lol.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55377 posts
Posted on 11/2/21 at 2:56 pm to
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At a 4th grade level...how so?



Per this Dr and other Drs, it lowers the CD8+.


4th grade level. Friends says "hey.. TOS!! You can beat that guy up with one arm behind your back." So you agree to do it. After all kid is way smaller than you. Then he says "Man.. no harm... Tie your other arm up to! You got this!" So you do. You are all good! Walking around like you own this place!

Then out of no where, an 8th grade bully walks up. He's 70 pounds bigger! 2 ft taller. Stomps your arse because your arms are tied behind your back.

He takes all your money and girl.....


Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55377 posts
Posted on 11/2/21 at 3:08 pm to
Literally you are arguing because he did not list EVERY little thing you feel like he should, by name, he LAB is wrong.


That's awesome!



"Hey Crazy! Man I Saw Jake 88 in town! He had a dang Alabama HAT on. Can you believe that!?!?"


Your response.. "No you didn't because you didn't say he was wearing clothes. So obviously he would not be in town!"


Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39158 posts
Posted on 11/2/21 at 3:13 pm to
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Literally you are arguing because he did not list EVERY little thing you feel like he should, by name, he LAB is wrong.



No dipshit, I'm saying he's wrong because his argument is nonsensical. See if you can follow. CD8 cells are not solely responsible for the viral response. They are responsible for antigens presented by MHC-I molecules. Intracellular antigenic material is presented on MHC-I molecules. If he says that there is depression of CD8 response, and we don't see a corresponding rise in numerous diseases that come from intracellular pathogens, why should we take his claims at face value? It beggars belief you think this guy is legit.

quote:

"Hey Crazy! Man I Saw Jake 88 in town! He had a dang Alabama HAT on. Can you believe that!?!?"


Your response.. "No you didn't because you didn't say he was wearing clothes. So obviously he would not be in town!"


It's no surprise you can't understand my argument.
This post was edited on 11/2/21 at 3:15 pm
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
78028 posts
Posted on 11/2/21 at 3:16 pm to
You are going to have to post in layman's terms. As if.you are testifying in court.

What about a rise in autoimmune disorders with a supposed lack of CD8 T cells?
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
28276 posts
Posted on 11/2/21 at 3:18 pm to
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It's no surprise you can't understand my argument.



He thinks hundreds of people die from marijuana overdoses every year. You are not dealing with a reasonable person.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55377 posts
Posted on 11/2/21 at 3:22 pm to
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No dipshit, I'm saying he's wrong because his argument is nonsensical.




Now read this:

quote:

See if you can follow. CD8 cells are not solely responsible for the viral response. They are responsible for antigens presented by MHC-I molecules. Intracellular antigenic material is presented on MHC-I molecules. If he says that there is depression of CD8 response, and we don't see a corresponding rise in numerous diseases


Where did he say that we have not or that he has not?

quote:

It's no surprise you can't understand my argument.




No I do understand it. And I can go back and quote you on this. Since I need to.... here you go:


quote:

I need him to answer why we aren't seeing an increase in every intracellular pathogen,


Your words, page 2.



So here we go once more:

You:

quote:

I need him to answer why we aren't seeing an increase in every intracellular pathogen,


ME:

quote:

Literally you are arguing because he did not list EVERY little thing you feel like he should, by name, he LAB is wrong.



This is great!




Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39158 posts
Posted on 11/2/21 at 3:27 pm to
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You are going to have to post in layman's terms. As if.you are testifying in court.


Lol I have no ability to translate this stuff yet.

quote:

What about a rise in autoimmune disorders with a supposed lack of CD8 T cells?



Given the prevalence of the vaccine, if there was a corresponding depression of CD8 activity, (which can also be stimulated by fibroblasts in response to endothelial injury, which makes this doctor's point should complicate this doctor's assertion even more) we should be seeing autoimmune disorders as well as continual upper respiratory and lower respiratory infections, as well as ANCA-associated vasculitis, shouldn't we?
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39158 posts
Posted on 11/2/21 at 3:28 pm to
Again, you don't seem to be understanding what a CD8 deficiency should mean in clinical terms. His implicit argument means that if there is a CD8 deficiency, you should see a corresponding rise in every intracellular pathogen. Do you understand why?
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
78028 posts
Posted on 11/2/21 at 3:29 pm to
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we should be seeing autoimmune disorders as well as continual upper respiratory and lower respiratory infections, as well as ANCA-associated vasculitis, shouldn't we
Si.
Posted by themunch
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Member since Jan 2007
71317 posts
Posted on 11/2/21 at 3:32 pm to
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upper respiratory and lower respiratory infections


Is this part of Covids infection? Sounds like it
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