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Posted on 3/5/14 at 2:49 pm to C
quote:Lying in testimony to the Senate.
whats an example of a criminating fact?
Posted on 3/5/14 at 2:51 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
whats an example of a criminating fact?
I was at the scene of the crime when it was committed.
I told X person to do X.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 2:54 pm to Decatur
quote:One of us doesn't.
Do you even read?
Once again, "any crime, any breaking of rules, and indeed any wrongdoing at all" followed invoking the 5th? The OP is very specific to one charge. Lerner's testimony under oath is not.
For your sake, I hope to God you knew that before I posted it.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 2:55 pm to FalseProphet
quote:
If a cop approaches me about a murder and I tell him I did nothing wrong or wasn't involved, and he asks the logical follow-up, it may be that my next statement involves wholly unrelated illicit conduct that gets me in trouble.
That analogy does not work here since there is not a smidgen of corruption in this case.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 2:58 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Once again, "any crime, any breaking of rules, and indeed any wrongdoing at all" followed invoking the 5th? The OP is very specific to one charge. Lerner's testimony under oath is not.
You're making a distinction without a difference. None of the testimonies quoted contained any "criminating" facts. Again, a proclamation of innocence (regardless of the number of charges) is not criminating.
This post was edited on 3/5/14 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 3/5/14 at 2:59 pm to FalseProphet
Listening to you and Decatur trying to defend Lerner reminds me of a line spoken by the Kingfish from the old Amos and Andy TV sitcom.
After Kingfish's attorney, Algonquin J. Calhoun, Esquire kept referring to his client as "this criminal" and after the presiding judge interrupted Algonquin J. Calhoun, Esquire to ask him if he was the same Algonquin J. Calhoun, Esquire who had been disbarred the previous year for embezzling client funds, the judge asked the Kingfish if there was anything he would like to say in his own behalf before the judge issued his verdict.
Kingfish said, "Yes, yo' honor, 'dere is sumptin I would like to ax. How much ground haz I lost since my attorney showed up?"
After Kingfish's attorney, Algonquin J. Calhoun, Esquire kept referring to his client as "this criminal" and after the presiding judge interrupted Algonquin J. Calhoun, Esquire to ask him if he was the same Algonquin J. Calhoun, Esquire who had been disbarred the previous year for embezzling client funds, the judge asked the Kingfish if there was anything he would like to say in his own behalf before the judge issued his verdict.
Kingfish said, "Yes, yo' honor, 'dere is sumptin I would like to ax. How much ground haz I lost since my attorney showed up?"
Posted on 3/5/14 at 3:01 pm to FalseProphet
quote:
I was at the scene of the crime when it was committed.
How is that criminating and not "I was with them when the crime was committed, but I was not involved"
Posted on 3/5/14 at 3:01 pm to LSURussian
You are deliberately dishonest. I have not once said that Lerner was innocent, nor have I defended her. I don't know what the hell she did or didn't do, because she won't tell us. I, unlike you, don't judge on partial facts.
I've questioned the legal status of her waiver, because that's what this thread is about.
I've questioned the legal status of her waiver, because that's what this thread is about.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 3:01 pm to C
quote:
I was with them when the crime was committed, but I was not involved"
That is criminating.
quote:
I was not involved
This alone is not.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 3:02 pm to LSURussian
You still haven't pointed out any legally significant differences in the statements nor have you explained how Hoag does not apply.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 3:03 pm to FalseProphet
Did you mean to direct your diatribe at me?
Posted on 3/5/14 at 3:03 pm to FalseProphet
So if lois lerner testifies that she led the agency responsible and that she didn't break any laws, how is that not criminating?
Posted on 3/5/14 at 3:04 pm to Decatur
quote:Oh, okay.
You still haven't pointed out any legally significant differences in the statements nor have you explained how Hoag does not apply.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 3:05 pm to LSURussian
If you're going to accuse me of not understanding the difference between the statements, the least you could do is explain how I don't understand what you so apparently understand.
If you know what you are talking about and all.
If you know what you are talking about and all.
This post was edited on 3/5/14 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 3/5/14 at 3:06 pm to Decatur
The problem is that she did offer incriminating testimony.
Her statement included much more than just the denial.
She testified she oversaw and was in charge of the organization that targeted conservative groups. That is incriminating evidence as it establishes her opportunity to commit the act.
Your case doesn't apply to the Lerner statement.
Obviously.
Her statement included much more than just the denial.
She testified she oversaw and was in charge of the organization that targeted conservative groups. That is incriminating evidence as it establishes her opportunity to commit the act.
Your case doesn't apply to the Lerner statement.
Obviously.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 3:06 pm to Decatur
quote:I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you.
the least you could do is explain how I don't understand
quote:You don't. Or, maybe you do, but you must keep displaying ignorance to cover up your lack of honesty on the subject.
If you know what you are talking about and all.
This post was edited on 3/5/14 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 3/5/14 at 3:07 pm to LSURussian
Shoot
Posted on 3/5/14 at 3:07 pm to Decatur
He won't. He's more interested in one-liners and jokes that attempt to make it seem like he possesses some higher level on knowledge on the subject, but he hasn't had a substantive response in quite some time.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 3:09 pm to Decatur
quote:That's exactly what they should do to Lerner....
Shoot
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