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Posted on 5/26/24 at 7:17 am to blueboy
The entire catholic hierarchy is anti Christian.
I dont pray to statutes, nor confess to other sinners.
I dont pray to statutes, nor confess to other sinners.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:07 am to Champagne
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Protestantism was invented more than Fifteen Centuries after Christ walked the Earth. It's absurd to conclude that Almighty God would withhold Ultimate Truth from us human beings for over 1,500 years, suddenly to reveal Ultimate Truth to a handful of people like Calvin and Zwingli.
Protestantism was never invented. It’s always been, in the sense it’s the same Gospel and letters the first century Christians based their faith upon.
What IS invented, or rather re-invented and added to on the reg is Catholic doctrine, the likes of which cause people to reform and run from like the plague because it is so incredibly antithetical to scripture agreed upon as original canon, most of which is also in the Catholic Bible yet the newer doctrines of the RCC simply do not measure up even remotely with it’s teachings, and so you get people leaving it then, and still today. I’m one of them.
Much in the same way we are currently abandoning the Methodist Churches, Anglican Churches, and others who deviate from sound biblical teachings like word of faith and others using the church to promote a ME centered gospel and MONEY to enrich themselves, and so people leave them to their own devises, much in the same way people leave the RCC. I’m not here to enrich a preacher, or the RCC, or insert organization. I am here to serve the living God, and make sure I align myself with the same exact Gospel Paul delivered to the first century Christians.
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But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed
Romans 1:8
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For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.
2 Corinthians 11:4
People are not married to your traditions or how long you’ve been around. Some are, but people looking the Christ alone are not. We are married to Christ, because we are His bridegroom, called and set apart as a peculiar people. We love Jesus, not traditions, especially traditions that stand in direct opposition to biblical teaching found in everyone’s bible. If we end up having to meet in people’s homes one day in order to follow Jesus, then we will do just that. It’s not a membership or a tradition, but a following.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:14 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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Why do we need a pope between us and God?
Why do Baptists need a pastor?
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:22 am to Ponchy Tiger
Iron and sharpening isn't his strong suit.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:23 am to RockoRou
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Its only a gamble if you don't believe.
What?
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:25 am to DownSouthJukin
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Are you saying Jesus didn’t know what he was doing when he made the Apostles, and particularly Peter (the Rock), leaders of an early Church? So Jesus and God got it wrong and protestants figured it all out 15 centuries later?
What about the possibility that man "got it wrong" over those 15 centuries?
You know, like man is prone to do?
Jesus already came once to correct the teachings of institutions created by God and corrupted by man. Literally his biggest conflict on Earth.
This post was edited on 5/26/24 at 8:26 am
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:25 am to Ponchy Tiger
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Why do Baptists need a pastor?
If Catholics don't like a Pope, can they go to a different Catholic Church and learn under a different Pope?
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:25 am to hnds2th
This story is as old as time. Protestants telling Catholics what Catholics believe and picking Catholicism apart. All the while Catholics do not care what Protestants believe or do.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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What about the possibility that man "got it wrong" over those 15 centuries?
You know, like man is prone to do?
It would seem to reason that the people who were closest to following Christ's message were the generations directly after him and not people 2,000 years later.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:27 am to Ponchy Tiger
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All the while Catholics do not care what Protestants believe or do.
Where did the videos the OP linked come from then?
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:28 am to Azkiger
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If Catholics don't like a Pope, can they go to a different Catholic Church and learn under a different Pope?
Pope is head of the Catholic Church, Their have been good Pope's like Pope John Paul and bad ones like this one. They are men just like anyone else.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:28 am to Speckhunter2012
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According to The Moody Handbook of Theology, the official beginning of the Roman Catholic church occurred in 590 CE, with Pope Gregory I.
Why should we believe what the Moody Handbook of Theology says?
There are plenty of references in the Early Church to the authority of Peter and his successors. What makes these quotes in the link bellow inaccurate, and the book you referred to as accurate?
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2. Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the churches, we do put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say,] by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every church should agree with this church, on account of its pre-eminent authority, that is, the faithful everywhere, inasmuch as the apostolical tradition has been preserved continuously by those [faithful men] who exist everywhere.
The above quote is one example of the Church being in Rome and the succession of bishops.
This is from Irenaeus who lived in the late 2nd century
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the Church which presides in the place of the region of the Romans, and which is worthy of God, worthy of honour, worthy of the highest happiness, worthy of praise, worthy of credit
The above qoute is from Ignatius of Antioch, he was a disciple of Polycarp, who was a disciple of John the Apostle.
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Accept our counsel, and you shall have nothing to regret. For, as truly as God lives, as truly as the Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit live, and the faith and the hope of the elect, so truly will he who in a humble frame of mind, with eagerness to yield, and unregretfully carries out the commandments and precepts given by God, be enrolled and be in good standing among the number of those who are on the way to salvation through Jesus Christ, through whom is to Him the glory forever and evermore. Amen.
Here is another quote from Clement of Rome, who was the Bishop of Rome in the late first century
These early father's may not explicitly say the Pope but it is clear that the authority of Rome was established when Peter and Paul went there and were martyred there.
LINK
The above link includes more quotations from early church fathers. You may notice that what I quoted is slightly different than what catholic.com quoted. I think we are just taking from different primary sources, but they basically say the same thing.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:29 am to Ponchy Tiger
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Pope is head of the Catholic Church
Exactly, which is why the comparison to pastors wasn't a good one.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:30 am to Champagne
That would be true if the Church weren’t established in Acts mere years after the death of Christ and that Church has nothing in common with the Catholic Church post the Dark Ages. Call that Church what you like but it certainly has more in common with more Protestant or non denominational Churches than anything remotely resembling Catholicism or the myriad of Catholic lite churches including Episcopal or Presbyterian. The superiority complex of Catholicism is embarrassingly misplaced
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:31 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I dont pray to statutes, nor confess to other sinners.
Complete ignorance. During confession the Priest is their to listen and guide you and reassure you that your sins are forgiven.
Why do protestants give testimony and stand up and ask forgiveness of their church members?
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:32 am to hnds2th
John 14:6 Jesus said "I am the way the truth and the light. No man comes to the father but by me."
No mother Mary
No Pope
No Priest
No mother Mary
No Pope
No Priest
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:33 am to Ponchy Tiger
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to listen and guide you and reassure you that your sins are forgiven.
Sounds like some pretty weak faith.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:36 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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Questions Catholics can't answer: Why do we need a pope between us and God?
Catholic Church designed Christ out of the religion. Read the Gospels and count the number of times the Catholic Church Doctrine is Anti Christ.
Don't take my word for it. I beg you, Go against the Pope and read for your self.
The Bible doesn't say, ask the Pope, Priest, nor Mary for forgiveness.
Posted on 5/26/24 at 8:37 am to Night Vision
Here is a video that explains the scriptural evidence for Peter's primacy.
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