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re: Pornography is not conservative
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:28 pm to MAADFACTS
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:28 pm to MAADFACTS
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I also don’t remember Donald Trump ever apologizing for the adultery or divorces and would love a link
I said he expressed regret and even allowed he may have not been sincere. I don't have a link. I saw an interview one time a couple years ago. The point is that he didn't use his position to push immorality and even went the other direction.
I agree that she probably got more publicity out of being banned, but that requires a deliberate effort on her part and sort of proves my point that it was actually for publicity in the first place.
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Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:28 pm to squid_hunt
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She was showing up for publicity.
How do you determine whether a pornstar is coming to a conservative speaking event to speak out against big Gov, lower taxes, etc. is really there to promote their pornographic business?
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And since her position isn't conservative
Do you have to check all the conservative boxes to be considered a conservative?
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:30 pm to Azkiger
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How do you determine whether a pornstar is coming to a conservative speaking event to speak out against big Gov
Republican gubernatorial candidate Jenner, for or against?
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:32 pm to squid_hunt
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I guess I misinterpreted your interest in this argument. If you're not here to demand conservatives accept porn stars, what is the point you're trying to make?
Compartmentalize your battles.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:33 pm to Azkiger
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Compartmentalize your battles.
Stick to butt sex and pot. Stop worrying about what conservatives do at conservative political rallies.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:33 pm to squid_hunt
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Republican gubernatorial candidate Jenner, for or against?
Against.
How do you determine whether a pornstar is coming to a conservative speaking event to speak out against big Gov?
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:33 pm to Mr. Misanthrope
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Here’s the problem, Libertarians and secular/irreligious conservatives want Christian conservatives’ voting numbers, their money, and their support for the issues important to secular/irreligious conservatives and libertarians but their apparent disrespect for Christian conservatives’ and their Faith, (which informs and undergirds Christians’ politics) equals or exceeds the hostility and contempt progressive socialist leftists express for Christianity and conservative Christians.
The left is trying to outlaw freedom of speech while also attempting to turn Christian beliefs into a scarlet letter to allow them to punish dissent and tax churches. Religious organizations are facing greater scrutiny while being coming “literally” under fire, and those who speak in defense of those churches are being censored.
The libertarians are fighting not just for free speech, but also for freedom of religion. They don’t care what religion you practice, so long as you don’t force them to do the same with government force.
Libertarians and the religious right should be allies against big government, but social conservatives want to be big government. They don’t understand that one can think something is harmful, evil, crass, and/or stupid yet at the same time not believe government force is the proper remedy.
There’s a lot of room between “I don’t like that and choose not to participate/pay for”, “that’s bad for you and you shouldn’t do it”, and “the penalty for doing that should be removal from society and/or fines”.
Also, bread & circuses were put on directly by the government of Rome or by politicians looking to ostensibly buy votes or mob support.
Seeing as porn isn’t a government-sponsored institution but merely a product consumed over a large variety of platforms, most of which, consumers pay for, I don’t think bread & circuses is an apt description for porn’s current role in society.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:34 pm to Azkiger
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How do you determine whether a pornstar is coming to a conservative speaking event to speak out against big Gov?
Who cares? She's a porn star. She's not a conservative. At best she's libertarian feminist. At worst a libertine.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:34 pm to squid_hunt
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Stick to butt sex and pot. Stop worrying about what conservatives do at conservative political rallies.
Do I get to have just as much of an opinion of that as you do about butt sex and pot?
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:35 pm to squid_hunt
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Who cares? She's a porn star. She's not a conservative. At best she's libertarian feminist. At worst a libertine.
So you dont know what her intentions were and are just speaking out of your arse...
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:36 pm to kingbob
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Seeing as porn isn’t a government-sponsored institution
Let's just say I'm highly skeptical of that.
As for allying with libertarians, they've made it clear they have no interest in conservatives. The LP, CATO, Reason, any big name libertarian group is outwardly hostile to the right. I'm old enough to remember the super-libertarians Gay Jay and Bill Weld pushing to bake that Nazi cake.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:37 pm to squid_hunt
Does one’s occupation completely define one as a person? Social conservatism is just one facet of the conservative movement which includes nationalism, constitutionalism, law & order, and fiscal conservatism, government/personal responsibility and accountability, and individual liberty.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:38 pm to Azkiger
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So you dont know what her intentions were and are just speaking out of your arse...
Ah, yes. That blessed libertarian innocence that blinds them to the most obvious of motives from the left.
She's not a conservative. Why should she be given a platform?
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:39 pm to kingbob
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Does one’s occupation completely define one as a person?
Doesn't matter. Those running the group determined she wasn't a member. What could be more in line with individual liberties?
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:39 pm to squid_hunt
You can’t judge the beliefs of all libertarian leaning individuals with the actions of the big L party that they’re not apart of, likely for the very same reasons you are rightly criticizing. The libertarians aren’t trying to turn the gop into the pussy L party, they’re trying to convince the GOP to walk the walk on its rhetoric and ideals.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:40 pm to squid_hunt
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Doesn't matter. Those running the group determined she wasn't a member. What could be more in line with individual liberties?
That's not what is being argued. It's clear you're being disingenuous.
Had they accepted her you'd disagree with their decision to do so.
This post was edited on 7/28/21 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:41 pm to kingbob
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You can’t judge the beliefs of all libertarian leaning individuals with the actions of the big L party
When I have to deal with people telling me conservatives aren't allowed to exclude porn stars, what's the difference between them and the Big L party's position?
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:42 pm to Azkiger
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That's not what is being argued. It's clear you're being disingenuous.
Oh it is.
1. Porn is not conservative.
2. They didn't want her there.
3. Libertarian opinions aren't really relevant.
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Had they accepted her you'd disagree with their decision to do so.
Had they accepted her I'd disagree with their decision. End of sentence.
This post was edited on 7/28/21 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:42 pm to squid_hunt
Not being a social conservative doesn’t make it impossible to be a conservative.
One can not give a crap if gays get married, weed is smoked, or people have pre-marital sex yet still believe abortion is wrong, taxes are too high, regulations are too burdensome, and that we need to curb illegal immigration.
One can not give a crap if gays get married, weed is smoked, or people have pre-marital sex yet still believe abortion is wrong, taxes are too high, regulations are too burdensome, and that we need to curb illegal immigration.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 1:43 pm to squid_hunt
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2. They didn't want her there.
Had they allowed her to attend/speak would you agree with them that she's part of the conservative movement?
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