Pope stands by his man in Chile--the bureaucracy wins again

what do you expect from the anti-christ?...from constantine until today, all anti-christs and doing the lusts of their father

First, let’s be forthright in recognizing that media coverage of the Catholic Church is abysmally slanted, even from supposed “Catholic” media sources. There are extremes within even Catholic media sources.

With that said, I would need to see more sources to feel confident that this story is being covered in a neutral manner.

Secondly, let’s acknowledge that the new Bishop was never accused of abuse himself. Apparently, before he was ever made a Bishop, he had a close relationship with another priest who was seen as his “mentor”, who was later convicted of sex abuse.

What is the proof that the abuser was actually his “mentor”? The articles don’t say. I have had many influential teachers in my life, who could be considered “mentors”, and I have no idea what sort of mischief or misdeeds they may have committed in their lives. The taint of sin doesn’t flow from the teacher to the student.

The articles you posted didn’t say why Barrios was believed to have “protected” or “shielded” the abuser. I’ll assume that there must be SOMETHING, or else there wouldn’t have been such a strong reaction.

Nevertheless, let’s not engage in such hyperbole in criticizing the pope as if he had knowingly sided with sex abusers and their “protectors”.

More information would be helpful in this discussion, but as per usual, those who are inclined to be critical of the Church don’t wait for details before their knees start to jerking.

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The articles you posted didn’t say why Barrios was believed to have “protected” or “shielded” the abuser. I’ll assume that there must be SOMETHING, or else there wouldn’t have been such a strong reaction.

Nevertheless, let’s not engage in such hyperbole in criticizing the pope as if he had knowingly sided with sex abusers and their “protectors”.

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I said the hierarchy won again.

Clearly the people in the diocese did not want the man to be their Bishop. 30 deacons and priest wrote letters protesting his appointment. A fist fight broke out over it. The Pope could have left him where he was, moved him to another diocese or any number of things to avoid the controversy but no he decided to stand by the established boys club again. To rub salt in the wound he implied the people in pews were wrong while he made decisions in Rome.

The abuse was horrible in Chile it is hard to imagine Barrios did not know about it but the controversy around him was enough he should not have consider bishop in that diocese. The Pope knew that too.

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In 2015, Pope Francis set off an uproar by appointing the Rev. Juan Barros as bishop in the southern city of Osorno. Barros had been a protege of Karadima, working with him for years when the abuses were taking place.

Barros has always denied that he knew what Karadima was doing, but many parishioners in Osorno objected to his appointment.

When protests erupted, Francis dug in. At one point, the pope said that the "people of Osorno are suffering because of stupidity" and that there was no proof of wrongdoing by Barros.

Yet Francis was well aware that Barros' appointment would cause strife. In a 2015 letter obtained by The Associated Press last week, Francis contemplated sending Barros and two other Karadima-trained bishops on yearlong sabbaticals, a decision he didn't ultimately take.

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Hard to image Barrios was innocent through it all

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In 1984 a group of parishioners reported to archbishop, Juan Francisco Fresno, later cardinal, about Father Karadima's "improper conduct." The letter was "torn up and thrown away," according to a court statement by the parishioner. In those days, Karadima had managed to install one of his own as the Cardinal's secretary. This priest was Juan Barros Madrid.

In mid-2003, Cardinal Francisco Javier Errázuriz Ossa was informed by parishioner José Murillo about the abuses of Karadima, assuming an investigation would be opened.[3] The written report of Murillo came months after the Chilean Bishops Conference issued procedures for handling cases of sexual abuse involving priests. The cardinal answered to Mr. Murillo saying he was praying for him and he didn't open a preliminary investigation.

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Quit blaming the press and start demanding your Church behave itself. Until the parishioners insist these kind of things stop they will not stop.

Okay. I read what you posted and I’m still waiting on the specifics of how we know that Barros was aware of Karadima’s abuse and did nothing, or that he advised or participated in the decision by the Cardinal to fail to investigate. If that is shown, I’ll certainly agree with the criticism.

This is not winning.

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#NotMyPope

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if you believe in this dumb shite at all, hes not only your pope, but hes literally incapable of making a mistake. he was selected by your idiot "god" and is infallible. those are your rules, this is your dogma. its not up for discussion.

or could it be that religious people are only accepting the rules they like and ignoring the rest. oh no it couldn't be that, could it?

Whatever you want to believe.

The Pope knew the appointment would be controversial.

He knew the long history of sexual abuse in the diocese. He knew 30 priest and deacons opposed the appointment.

Did he even investigate the allegations against Barrios or was he content to just relegate the Priest to a life of prayer and sweep the controversy under the rug?

You can give him a pass as you obviously have.

The Church will be left with only those that rationalize away ever apparent impropriety if it keeps this up. The people you should worry about at he quiet parishneers who don't quite attend Mass as much as they used and don't quote put the money in the plate they used too.

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As the trust of the Church wanes the Pope appoints a man people didn't trust because no one had proved the guy covered up for a horrible pedophile priest. Didn't do much to help the larger problem of trust did it??

Stupid position for you and the Pope to take IMHO.

Francis is literally not even a Christian.