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re: Pope Francis permits Priests to bless same sex couples in major Vatican doctrine change
Posted on 12/18/23 at 11:19 am to gaetti15
Posted on 12/18/23 at 11:19 am to gaetti15
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bible is pretty clear about divorce and remarriage too, but dont tell that to Protestants
Divorce is horrible and should be the last possible recourse for a failing marriage, but the Bible at least provides cases where it’s allowed. Hardly the same thing as gay marriage where there are no such texts.
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The Bible gives two clear grounds for divorce: (1) sexual immorality (Matthew 5:32; 19:9) and (2) abandonment by an unbeliever (1 Corinthians 7:15). Even in these two instances, though, divorce is not required or even encouraged. The most that can be said is that sexual immorality and abandonment are grounds (an allowance) for divorce. Confession, forgiveness, reconciliation, and restoration are always the first steps. Divorce should only be viewed as a last resort.
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Posted on 12/18/23 at 11:20 am to Fun Bunch
Bless them? What exactly does this mean? I'm guessing it's not the same as marry them in the church
Posted on 12/18/23 at 11:21 am to 4cubbies
They are being blessed to the pit of hell
Posted on 12/18/23 at 11:23 am to Stitches
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The Episcopalian church says hello. The difference here is that Francis is simply saying that individuals who are gay can receive a blessing, or a prayer to repent of their sins, whereas most (practically all) sola scriptura protestant denominations have sects that actually perform same-sex marriages
Episcopal church actually proves my point. They abandoned scripture in favor of the flavor of the week which in our times happens to be homosexuality.
All the Protestant denominations abandoning scripture are dying and will be gone in the next generation. The only churches growing in the US right now are Bible teaching churches who hold to biblical standards and don’t change their convictions based on what is popular in culture.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 11:25 am to Fun Bunch
Francis sucks
Posted on 12/18/23 at 11:25 am to gaetti15
If this was already the case why did he need to make an official statement about it? Just seems odd
Posted on 12/18/23 at 11:37 am to RebelExpress38
quote:This is a great point.
All the Protestant denominations abandoning scripture are dying and will be gone in the next generation. The only churches growing in the US right now are Bible teaching churches who hold to biblical standards and don’t change their convictions based on what is popular in culture.
The Presbyterian mainline has been losing members in droves for half a century. Our church broke away and is healthier than ever. No small church mind you.
Hopefully in 20-30 years Christianity will be down to the bare bones again of true believers.
Then we can really start talking about ecuminism.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 11:41 am to StrongOffer
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This is basically, a gay person walks up to the front during communion and gets a blessing.
They were already able to do that.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 11:42 am to 4cubbies
quote:You disingenuous, lying, posing piece of ****
Who needs blessings more than sinners?
Posted on 12/18/23 at 11:43 am to Godfather1
quote:And I'd imagine too, that I could receive communion if I held out my hands...
They were already able to do that.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 11:43 am to Fun Bunch
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This guy
"The time will surely come, when men will grow tired of sound doctrine, always itching to hear something fresh; and so they will provide themselves with a continuous succession of new teachers, as the whim takes them, turning a deaf ear to the truth". - St. Paul's Letter to Timothy (2 Timothy 4:3-4)
In my thinking it's official - Jorge Mario Bergoglio is neither Catholic or Christian.
Gay couples are living in sin - serious 'mortal' sin. Therefore to convey a blessing on a gay union implies acceptance, even tolerance, for a blantantly sinful act. A way of life that is contrary to God's Natural Law.
Homosexuality is profoundly disordered and any attempt by this Pope to create the impression that this lifestyle is acceptable is blatantly heretical.
Jorge Mario Bergoglio is a heretic.
This post was edited on 12/18/23 at 11:46 am
Posted on 12/18/23 at 11:44 am to 4cubbies
Splitting hairs, everyone sins but only one group is openly flaunting it as a source of pride
Posted on 12/18/23 at 11:44 am to bayoubengals88
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And I'd imagine too, that I could receive communion if I held out my hands...
probably. but that damns you more than it does the Church
Posted on 12/18/23 at 11:47 am to RebelExpress38
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The Bible gives two clear grounds for divorce: (1) sexual immorality (Matthew 5:32; 19:9)
Did Jesus Really Say Adultery is Grounds for a Divorce?
Posted on 12/18/23 at 11:48 am to gaetti15
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Did Jesus Really Say Adultery is Grounds for a Divorce?
Yes.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 11:49 am to gaetti15
quote:I've never done it out of respect, but can you read the gospels and really conclude that that's something that Jesus, of all people, cares about?
probably. but that damns you more than it does the Church
Posted on 12/18/23 at 11:50 am to TankBoys32
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this was already the case why did he need to make an official statement about it? Just seems odd
was a more clarified response to a Dubia he responded to a month or so back.
However, this is not an ex-cathedra statement or papal bull so it's not really changing dogma or the deposit of faith. Just providing a clarification on blessings
Posted on 12/18/23 at 11:50 am to gaetti15
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bible is pretty clear about divorce and remarriage too, but dont tell that to Protestants
As a Baptist don't get me started on the legal contortions preachers twist themselves in to free women to remarry and cheer.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 11:50 am to bayoubengals88
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And I'd imagine too, that I could receive communion if I held out my hands...
You could.
But that’s between you and God.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 11:52 am to bayoubengals88
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but can you read the gospels and really conclude that that's something that Jesus, of all people, cares about?
yeah
Given it's called "communion", it doesnt make sense to participate in the Eucharist if you dont believe the things the Church founded by Jesus Christ believes.
I mean at least we actually believe the Eucharist is the body blood soul and divinity of jesus not just some remembrance
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