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re: Pending WW3 with Russia, "situation worse than Cuba crisis"
Posted on 4/9/18 at 1:31 am to starsandstripes
Posted on 4/9/18 at 1:31 am to starsandstripes
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But it's OK because in America we don't seem to care that such moves will put more people in the ground than ought to be there. I mean, we have to save money on defense spending and why cut out waste when you can just cut people and guarantee that you'll bury more people than you should later on.
What exactly are you implying here?
Posted on 4/9/18 at 1:40 am to lsuguy84
Russia isn’t going to start a war 2 months before the World Cup starts.
We need to stay the frick out of this regardless.
We need to stay the frick out of this regardless.
This post was edited on 4/9/18 at 1:41 am
Posted on 4/9/18 at 2:57 am to rmnldr
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What exactly are you implying here?
The adulation of the military is mostly bullshite from people that don't actually care and they are content to virtue signal with their "thank you for your service" and then ignore the extra dead bodies we bury once the next war starts. For TLDR you can stop here.
As a nation we will preserve acquisitions like the F35 at the expense of preserving real combat power, and real experience, and the capability to train the people that will assuredly be on the ground and in the fighting.
The program costs for the F22 and F35 would cover all of our personnel costs for a force the size of the peak GWOT manning, for over 20 years. Since 9/11, neither platform has done jack or shite. But those programs have been protected while actual people deploy without equipment, or get cut during a drawdown, while operations & maintenance budgets get slashed, and so forth.
After the War for Independence and the various skirmishes that came after for the next 40 years or so, the US said frick-all to military preparation. When WWI arrived, we decided to ramp up and let the training come during two-way live fire, resulting in a lot more deaths and casualties than necessary.
After WWI we shut down the military again, having people run around with 2x4's yelling 'bang bang' during training. We repeated things in WWII and lost a lot more people than we should have. People forget the arse beatings we took in Africa and in some places in Europe etc, because we entered with an inadequately trained force.
After WWII we shut it down again. Then just a decade later we sent wholly unprepared forces to Korea to yield disasters like Task Force Smith, despite having WWII heroes in top leadership positions, because on the ground we were totally inadequate.
Then we moved into Vietnam where the MIC really took off. We had the draft and threw 8 million people into uniform during the war. We were moderately successful in actual engagements but we were mostly throwing bodies to the front rather than building and sustaining a top-flight military. The war was longer and more people died than should have. Personnel policies changed as well during the Vietnam war. We were left with a hollowed out force and careerists sounded the alarms about this.
After Vietnam, the country cared most about the defense dollars as idiots like Carter came around and cut spending. Training sucked. Readiness sucked. Finally Reagan put dollars in the right places and it got better but there were no real lessons learned. We rolled into DSDS and were fooled by Iraq's "ranking" in terms of military power. So the people clammered to shut it down and idiots like Rumsfeld were out there thinking we could now win any war with a few fancy gadgets and just a small force on the ground.
The MIC demanded high dollar acquisitions and the politicians said yes and the people, dumb as ever, paid no attention.
9/11 happened and we were not close to being ready for war. Numerous people and units went to theater without any training at all for the urban or industrial environments; without armor; and without being fully manned. The MIC came to the rescue with unbelievable amounts of waste firmly attached to training budgets. Then Obama came in and telegraphed to all of our enemies that we were leaving and then started a purge of people and funding. People were OK with this because Americans are stupid and lazy, and don't really give a shite about the military or the fact that troops will end up dead because of such negligent approaches. People don't care that troops get purged well after deciding to make the military a career, and many get bad discharges because the military justice system is a sham. Morons put up charts on DoD spending and whine about the dollars, but don't want to invest any time or energy in figuring out where the dollars are going or what their significance is.
Now our acquisitions are still protected but our readiness is low, combat experience largely purged. Warfighting is a skillset and like any skill, it demands training. People want Mayweathers in the ring but don't want to pay to train, equip, and produce them, and they are too dumb and too lazy to recognize this approach leads to more dead bodies than ought to happen. Overall I like Trump but he's a victim of this mindset as well and too often fawns over these generals while not realizing what's actually in the budget.
Stupid bastards think technology is the cure-all but don't realize our fancy gadgets get fooled all the time. We put pods on planes to look for tanks and they get fooled by undernourished halfwits that stick telephone poles through the windshields of Yugos. I got news for people, if you take overhead photos of terrain in much of Afghanistan and do the same for terrain at our sothern border...guaranteed I can fool you 75% of the time in picking out which is which. They are pretty similar. Google Earth Wanat and then the Huachuca Mountains and you'll see. Main difference is height of the mountains and hills, which is almost impossible to detect on a plain photo. If people are slipping through our border unchecked all the time, and we're running the same fricking drones at the border that we have in theater - what does that tell you?
In the end there will be boots on the ground to do real damage assessment, destruction, seizure of objectives, and securing of key terrain and our nation has demonstrated over and over again that it has no problem with those troops being sent there without adequate preparation, coming back home in a box.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 5:16 am to memphis tiger
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by memphis tiger
Why would go to war with Russia when Trump had been collaborating with them since before the election?
Yeah, if they wanted Trump over Hillary where would we be with Russia if Hillary had won?
Posted on 4/9/18 at 5:35 am to Ebbandflow
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Not saying this is true but have you ever considered the fact that maybe Putin wanted a weak president for the United States in Power?
Which would have been Hillary, weak and corrupt af.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 7:56 am to rmnldr
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France is on board.
I know it's fun to shite on France, but they're one of the very few that actually do help us out I'll give them that
Posted on 4/9/18 at 7:59 am to SirWinston
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Russia isn’t going to start a war 2 months before the World Cup starts.
The World Cup isn't going to be the deterrent for WW3 happening.
"We don't care about mutually assured destruction, but by God we can't be fighting a war during the World Cup
Posted on 4/9/18 at 9:19 am to More&Les
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Which would have been Hillary, weak and corrupt af.
I think Hillary is the one he was afraid of actually
Posted on 4/9/18 at 11:00 am to Ebbandflow
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I think Hillary is the one he was afraid of actually
Why, he already bought her #urainium1
Posted on 4/9/18 at 11:02 am to Ebbandflow
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Ebbandflow
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I think
That's where I stopped reading
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