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re: Our President: ‘We Are Stopping Cold the Attacks on Judeo-Christian Values’
Posted on 10/15/17 at 12:58 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 10/15/17 at 12:58 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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The difference between us is that I don't need to explain away my reasons or defend the actions of a mythical being.
That makes no sense. Your statement is the opposite of the responsibility of free will.
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Posted on 10/15/17 at 1:01 pm to Dale51
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That lacks any kind of insight and context. Being omnipotent and omnipresent does not equal omni-controlling. Free will. Thats the whole point and responsibility.
Right. That's the convenient part.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 1:02 pm to Dale51
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That makes no sense.
Your confusion is noted, but ultimately not important.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 1:06 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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I'm speaking to the widespread interpretations most have of their god. Those don't reconcile with the reality of a fundamental view of Christianity. The hypocrisy is easy to point out, and it should be. Often.
I'm not particularly concerned whether a layman's understanding is contradictory, I'd be concerned if scholastic theology was unable to reconcile certain problems.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 1:09 pm to HempHead
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I'm not particularly concerned whether a layman's understanding is contradictory, I'd be concerned if scholastic theology was unable to reconcile certain problems.
As long as the layman and the scholar have equality in legislative action, I am concerned. Each vote counts the same as the other, and there is no reason to let ignorance go unchecked simply because one does not contribute to scholastic theology.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 1:11 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
I'm not discussing it in terms of impact on policy, but as it contributes to faith. The former is a completely legitimate concern, and another reason voting is bad ;)
Posted on 10/15/17 at 1:14 pm to HempHead
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I'm not discussing it in terms of impact on policy, but as it contributes to faith.
I get that, but I have no desire to change anyone's faith. The only point I even begin to care is when it can begin to affect me. That begins with the impact is has on policy.
Voting requirements need to be changed, for sure.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 1:34 pm to HempHead
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I think it's ridiculous to associate a Godhead with human agency and purpose, but that's just me.
I agree with that.
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Those who doubt the existence of a deity due to human suffering are just a little too anthropocentric, IMO.
Converse applies equally.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 1:46 pm to Spock's Eyebrow
Human suffering confirms the existence of God. Humanity's disobedience is the cause of our suffering, disease, etc. We've done this to ourselves.
Sin has consequences.
Sin has consequences.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 1:49 pm to Perfect Circle
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Human suffering confirms the existence of God.
I'm not sure that's confirmation - it's just not a refutation. Confirmation of the existence of an extra-universal deity is almost impossible to assert reasonably. There is a reason we call it the 'faith' and not the 'reason'. Certainly, believing that our suffering is due to our misdeeds promotes good behavior, but this is just a social technology and not a proof.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 1:53 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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That's the convenient part.
How so?
Posted on 10/15/17 at 1:54 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Your confusion is noted, but ultimately not important.
You're projecting again.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 1:58 pm to HempHead
In a nutshell, I think theology is what brilliant people did who did not have the framework to do science or who rejected it for whatever reason.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 2:41 pm to HempHead
I would say it is impossible to prove the existence of something outside of space-time; humanity is limited by space-time. But to discount the possibility that Something exists beyond our capacity to detect or understand seems narrow-minded and arrogant to me. It takes faith to believe this.
The threat of punishment for misdeeds has been a poor deterrent; a society counting on this as social technology to keep people in line is deluding itself. If people want to commit evil, they're going to commit evil.
It always comes down to faith; the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
My faith is my reality, it is who I am.
The threat of punishment for misdeeds has been a poor deterrent; a society counting on this as social technology to keep people in line is deluding itself. If people want to commit evil, they're going to commit evil.
It always comes down to faith; the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
My faith is my reality, it is who I am.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 3:28 pm to Perfect Circle
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Human suffering confirms the existence of God.
This is why I don't take most of this nonsense seriously.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 3:31 pm to Dale51
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How so?
I've already explained this, and have no desire to do it again.
You appear to have little interest in serious discussion anyway.
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You're projecting again.
See.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 3:32 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
You should smoke some DMT in the woods and see how seriously you begin to take things!
Posted on 10/15/17 at 3:55 pm to Dale51
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Actually, God created life and gave man the free will to choose good or evil. They create that.
You calling God a liar? Because if not you should know he creates evil:
“I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.”- Isaiah 45:7
Posted on 10/15/17 at 3:58 pm to redneck hippie
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He plays the evangelical crowd like a fiddle. Trump hasn't darkened the door of a church in his whole life.
Newsflash, rh. We weren't looking for a Sunday School teacher or parson...but a 'Patton'. Looks like we got our money's worth.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 4:06 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Off-handedly dismissing something based on your own observations as nonsense, with a laughing emoji, no less, how puerile.
Yeah, seems like you don't take much of anything seriously.
What do you believe in?
Do you have any strong convictions? Or are you just one of those people who don't believe there any absolute truths; no black or white, just infinite shades of grey?
Come on, man, stand for something , instead of just belittling everyone else's beliefs and acting smug.
Yeah, seems like you don't take much of anything seriously.
What do you believe in?
Do you have any strong convictions? Or are you just one of those people who don't believe there any absolute truths; no black or white, just infinite shades of grey?
Come on, man, stand for something , instead of just belittling everyone else's beliefs and acting smug.
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