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re: NYT Opinion: The Rich White Civil War - A smarter look at America’s divide.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 1:19 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Posted on 10/16/18 at 1:19 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Precisely what it's supposed to imply, because crossing the US border illegally is, in fact, a crime.
Technically no and no
A) illegal doesn't imply criminality, it implies illegality IE speeding is illegal, but it isn't a crime (unless you are REALLY hauling arse)
B) Crossing the border is illegal, but it is not a crime. See A) above
Therefor BMY is a moron.
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Posted on 10/16/18 at 1:45 pm to CoachChappy
There is no such thing as hate speech.
I could stand in the public square and decry why I hate someone or something to my hearts content
As long as I don’t call others to violence then the speech is protected by law
I could stand in the public square and decry why I hate someone or something to my hearts content
As long as I don’t call others to violence then the speech is protected by law
Posted on 10/16/18 at 2:48 pm to Centinel
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Only in your little world would someone who breaks a law not be a criminal.
Improper time or place; civil penalties
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of—
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or
(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection.
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.
This post was edited on 10/16/18 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 10/16/18 at 2:50 pm to bmy
And?
Posted on 10/16/18 at 2:59 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Technically no and no
A) illegal doesn't imply criminality, it implies illegality IE speeding is illegal, but it isn't a crime (unless you are REALLY hauling arse
Pretty sure the term "illegal alien" implies criminality.. as seen below. At least as a colloquialism
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by TbirdSpur2010
Precisely what it's supposed to imply, because crossing the US border illegally is, in fact, a crime.
This post was edited on 10/16/18 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 10/16/18 at 3:01 pm to Centinel
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And?
You can't read?
Posted on 10/16/18 at 3:18 pm to tide06
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Progressivism, which is really just veiled socialism using alinskyist group devide tactics, has won the internal battle and now controls what was a relatively moderate Democratic Party.
Not at all. No leftist in the United States would agree that the Democratic is shifting to the left. Nearly all of the evidence suggests they are clinging to the center.
Truth be told, neither of our major parties really represent the people they claim to represent. The GOP doesn't give a shite about the middle class, and the DNC would love nothing more than the Sanders crowd to fade away into nothingness.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 3:19 pm to Beau Fontenot
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Nearly all of the evidence suggests they are clinging to the center.
Do you actually listen to the things Booker, Feinstein, Pelosi, Harris, etc. say on a daily basis?
Posted on 10/16/18 at 3:20 pm to bmy
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You can't read?
What is the term for a person who breaks a law in this country?
What is the term to describe their actions when breaking a law?
Posted on 10/16/18 at 3:41 pm to Centinel
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.
Why do you think the feds distinguish between criminal and civil in that excerpt?
Posted on 10/16/18 at 3:44 pm to Centinel
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Do you actually listen to the things Booker, Feinstein, Pelosi, Harris, etc. say on a daily basis?
No, I try not to pay too much attention to them. But I've heard enough to know that Booker will say anything to get votes. He's not well liked on the left. And publications like Jacobin (that's where the real leftist agenda is written about) hate those people. They're old, mainstream Dems and the real left in America wishes they'd just move on.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 3:45 pm to bmy
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What is the term for a person who breaks a law in this country?
What is the term to describe their actions when breaking a law?
Posted on 10/16/18 at 3:49 pm to Beau Fontenot
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No, I try not to pay too much attention to them. But I've heard enough to know that Booker will say anything to get votes. He's not well liked on the left. And publications like Jacobin (that's where the real leftist agenda is written about) hate those people. They're old, mainstream Dems and the real left in America wishes they'd just move on.
Well you might not, but I have. And I also remember the rhetoric coming from the Democrats during the Clinton years. And comparing the two they democrats have absolutely moved farther left. Sure, they're not full blown communists...but socialist ideology has absolutely taken hold within the party. The obsession with identity politics probably being the most blatant example.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 4:26 pm to Centinel
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Well you might not, but I have. And I also remember the rhetoric coming from the Democrats during the Clinton years. And comparing the two they democrats have absolutely moved farther left. Sure, they're not full blown communists...but socialist ideology has absolutely taken hold within the party. The obsession with identity politics probably being the most blatant example.
Some Democrats may espouse support for the Nordic socio-economic model, but that's about it. And that's not really socialist. There's no real push for state ownership of major industry, for example. Nordic countries, for all of their social welfare programs, are still highly capitalist and attract a lot of companies because of their highly educated workforce. That's what the Bernie crowd is really pushing for, the Nordic system.
The people you're concerned about are a tiny, tiny minority in the United States, and the sorts of things they want will never happen in this country. Plus, conservatives are slowly but surely winning the battle for the big prize, which is control of the judiciary. You're worried about inconsequential boogeymen. At least in my opinion.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 6:35 pm to the808bass
quote:OK. Do you have a denominator to apply that to so we can put a rough dollar figure, economy-wide on this effect?
The primary benefit is to business owners who typically see a 5-10% increase in profit.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 7:32 am to Centinel
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What is the term for a person who breaks a law in this country?
What is the term to describe their actions when breaking a law?
"Unlawful" and "offender" are decent choices. You don't call someone who failed to get a permit to build a shed a criminal.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 7:34 am to Quidam65
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If you could get the Yellow Dog Democrats
These no longer exist among actual elected democrat officials
Posted on 10/17/18 at 7:35 am to bmy
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bmy
your excuses are pathetic Posted on 10/17/18 at 7:42 am to When in Rome
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Eighty percent say political correctness is a problem, and 82 percent say the same about hate speech.
"Hate speech" is the pinnacle of political correctness.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 7:53 am to bmy
Here, let me answer for you since you continue to play semantic games because it doesn't fit your narrative:
A criminal.
Illegal.
Therefore, illegal alien is the correct term. And is why it's the term used by the legal system and government for people who purposefully ignore immigration laws.
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What is the term for a person who breaks a law in this country?
A criminal.
quote:
What is the term to describe their actions when breaking a law?
Illegal.
Therefore, illegal alien is the correct term. And is why it's the term used by the legal system and government for people who purposefully ignore immigration laws.
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