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Posted by Big_Slim
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 8:36 am to
God damn this is a cool thread
Posted by ShoeBang
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 9:50 am to
US Navy patent released of triangular aircraft that uses an "intertial mass reduction device" by generating gravity waves to travel at "extreme speeds". It's also a hybrid craft that can be used in "water, air, and even space"

METRO ARTICLE

Not hijacking but this seems relevant in this thread. Releasing the patent might mean they are about to start putting out defense contracts for bid?
Posted by LSUfanNkaty
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 1:30 pm to
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Not hijacking but this seems relevant in this thread. Releasing the patent might mean they are about to start putting out defense contracts for bid?



Not a hijack at all! Extremely relevant
Posted by CptRusty
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 1:37 pm to
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‘It is possible to reduce the inertial mass and hence the gravitational mass, of a system/object in motion, by an abrupt perturbation of the non-linear background of local spacetime,’


Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 1:57 pm to


Think paradigm shift
Think redefining physics and our understanding / *perception of the universe...

https://medium.com/@luis_elizondo/want-to-be-a-better-problem-solver-stop-thinking-in-black-and-white-de4dde88b6c4

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Want To Be A Better Problem-Solver? Stop Thinking In Black And White
Go to the profile of Luis Elizondo Luis Elizondo


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If Mother Nature doesn’t organize herself in terms of binary, then it stands to reason a binary thought process doesn’t really help us better understand our universe. What may work well in the binary language of computers may actually limit our ability to comprehend and appreciate how nature really works. That’s why it’s so important that we strive to open our minds and consider the multitudes of possibilities that exist when it comes to topics on the fringe like Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP)s.


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In the case of unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP), there tend to be two schools of thought, either, “It must be a secret Government program” or “It’s aliens from outer space.” That’s why it’s so important that we strive to open our minds and consider the multitudes of possibilities that exist when it comes to the topic of UAPs. But, if Mother Nature has taught us one thing, the answer may not be an “either-or” calculus. Some of the other possibilities could include a foreign adversarial technology, a multi-dimensional capability, or even a spatial-temporal aspect that we have yet to discover. And of course, as much as I disagree with the idea, it could have a spiritual/religious relevance. As unsettling as the idea may be, it is still a possibility.

UAPs are perhaps the greatest enigma we face in our modern times. As such, it is imperative we approach the issue with objectivity and open-mindedness in order that we don’t prematurely rule out a possible origin. Ultimately, this mystery may not have an either-or answer and may truly be far more bizarre than we ever thought possible. We’ll never really know all the possible answers until we consider exploring the gray areas between black and white.


Having consumed much of what these folks put out, the main pushback from some in high places was that it violated their worldview and was viewed as “demonic” (Elizondo is on record stating this...)

I have tried to limit the religious / spiritual aspect here (Delong has stated that Greek mythology plays a big role) but it appears to be a large part of the phenomenon...
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Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:01 pm to
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The Vatican on space: The discovery of intelligent life wouldn't mean there's an alien Jesus somewhere in the universe
The Vatican has its own astronomy programme


I held off on posting this last week...

This unifies some of my rifting here about Prometheus (for those who think this is just a space movie about aliens...)

https://www.indiewire.com/2012/06/did-ridley-scott-just-ruin-the-mystery-of-prometheus-kill-its-sequel-109273/

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Did Ridley Scott Just Ruin The Mystery Of ‘Prometheus’ & Kill Its Sequel?
Did Ridley Scott Just Ruin The Mystery Of 'Prometheus' & Kill Its Sequel? Kevin Jagernauth


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So, depending on which side of the fence you’re sitting on, “Prometheus” either explained too much or didn’t explain enough, but either way, the film introduced some grand ideas about creation, religion and where humanity fits in the scope of the vast universe of the film. There have been two big question marks about the film: what’s the deal with the strange opening sequence in which an Engineer drinks a mystery cup of tea (or whatever) and subsequently disintegrates? And secondly, what did humanity do to cause our creators to want to destroy to us? While this has led to many interesting theories and debates, Ridley Scott has gone ahead and ruined them for you, and as a result, taken some of the shine off “Prometheus” in the process.

So first, let’s get to that opening scene. “…[the] sequence at the beginning of the film that is fundamentally creation. It’s a donation, in the sense that the weight and the construction of the DNA of those aliens is way beyond what we can possibly imagine,” Scott said. Adding that the planet isn’t necessarily Earth, he says, “No, it doesn’t have to be. That could be anywhere. That could be a planet anywhere. All he’s doing is acting as a gardener in space. And the plant life, in fact, is the disintegration of himself. If you parallel that idea with other sacrificial elements in history – which are clearly illustrated with the Mayans and the Incas – he would live for one year as a prince, and at the end of that year, he would be taken and donated to the gods in hopes of improving what might happen next year, be it with crops or weather, et cetera.”


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With that bit now nice and explained, let’s get to the bigger question — what did we do to make God/our creators angry? Well, if you theorized that it was because we crucified Jesus, you win! Confirming that at one point the script explicitly spelled this out, Scott says that was the direction they were taking with the story — at least at first. “We definitely did, and then we thought it was a little too on the nose,” he admits. “But if you look at it as an ‘our children are misbehaving down there’ scenario, there are moments where it looks like we’ve gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, ‘Let’s send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it.’ Guess what? They crucified him.”

So in short: Jesus was an Engineer, we fricked it up by killing him, our creators got mad and then hatched a really, really long and elaborate plan to kill us off.


Remember that Scientology and the Mormon faith are rumored to have fringe astrotheology at the root of their teachings...

The link below discusses this (Scientology link to UFO research) and the work of Tesla and the magik of Electromagnetism (the real prime mover in the universe, not gravity). This theme is at the core of many esoteric traditions...

https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread976484/pg1

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Electromagnetism, UFOs, and the Weaponization of Alien Technology page
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Posted by beerJeep
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:48 pm to
I always stumble upon your work at just the prime time


Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 4/25/19 at 5:00 pm to
WaPo article:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/how-angry-pilots-got-the-navy-to-stop-dismissing-ufo-sightings/ar-BBWh9x5

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How angry pilots got the Navy to stop dismissing UFO sightings
Deanna Paul 19 hrs ago


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Luis Elizondo, a former senior intelligence officer, told The Post that the new Navy guidelines formalized the reporting process, facilitating data-driven analysis while removing the stigma from talking about UFOs, calling it “the single greatest decision the Navy has made in decades.”


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In some cases, pilots — many of whom are engineers and academy graduates — claimed to observe small spherical objects flying in formation. Others say they’ve seen white, Tic Tac-shaped vehicles. Aside from drones, all engines rely on burning fuel to generate power, but these vehicles all had no air intake, no wind and no exhaust.

“It’s very mysterious, and they still seem to exceed our aircraft in speed,” he said, calling it a “truly radical technology.”


Hint: it is electrogravitic...

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“Pilots are upset, and they’re trying to help wake up a slumbering system,” he told The Post.


Asleep no more...

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“If I came to you and said, ‘There are these things that can fly over our country with impunity, defying the laws of physics, and within moments could deploy a nuclear device at will,’ that would be a matter of national security,” Elizondo said.


defying Newtonian physics...

Newton got beaned by the apple good (interesting how apples loom large in religion, science, and tech...)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah...

You know the song
Reinspect it:

"Man On The Moon"

Mott the Hoople and the game of Life yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Andy Kaufman in the wrestling match yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Monopoly, Twenty one, checkers, and chess yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Mister Fred Blassie in a breakfast mess yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Let's play Twister, let's play Risk yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
I'll see you in heaven if you make the list yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

Now, Andy did you hear about this one?
Tell me, are you locked in the punch?
Andy are you goofing on Elvis? Hey, baby
Are we losing touch?

If you believed they put a man on the moon
Man on the moon
If you believe there's nothing up his sleeve
Then nothing is cool

Moses went walking with the staff of wood yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Newton got beaned by the apple good yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Egypt was troubled by the horrible asp yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Mister Charles Darwin had the gall to ask yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

Now, Andy did you hear about this one?
Tell me, are you locked in the punch?
Andy are you goofing on Elvis? Hey, baby
Are you having fun?

If you believed they put a man on the moon
Man on the moon
If you believe there's nothing up his sleeve
Then nothing is cool

Here's a little agit for the never-believer yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Here's a little ghost for the offering yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Here's a truck stop instead of Saint Peter's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Mister Andy Kaufman's gone wrestling yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

Now, Andy did you hear about this one?
Tell me, are you locked in the punch?
Andy are you goofing on Elvis? Hey, baby
Are we losing touch?

If you believed they put a man on the moon
Man on the moon
If you believe there's nothing up his sleeve
Then nothing is cool

If you believed they put a man on the moon
Man on the moon
If you believe there's nothing up his sleeve
Then nothing is cool

If you believed they put a man on the moon
Man on the moon
If you believe there's nothing up his sleeve
Then nothing is cool

If you believed they put a man on the moon
Man on the moon
If you believe there's nothing up his sleeve
Then nothing is cool

Was Stipe toying with the idea that this place/things are not what they seem (think about themes presented in this thread...)

The tone of the song is very dismissive. The first verse suggests a game (and it’s absurdities)...


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“This type of activity is very alarming,” Elizondo said, “and people are recognizing there are things in our aerospace that lie beyond our understanding.”
This post was edited on 4/25/19 at 5:13 pm
Posted by TX Tiger
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Posted on 4/25/19 at 5:04 pm to
If it became public that we have the technology to go from coast to coast in minutes without the use of oil, the entire planet would implode.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 4/25/19 at 5:09 pm to
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If it became public that we have the technology to go from coast to coast in minutes without the use of oil, the entire planet would implode.


Absolutely

The questions is if “we” have it

I have to acknowledge that this all may be a massive psyop (as some of the players tie back to the IC and Scientology), but it is very interesting...

If this tech has been a reality (but suppressed), releasing it would be massively disruptive and revolutionize humanity (at the “expense” of some...)
Posted by TX Tiger
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Posted on 4/25/19 at 5:14 pm to
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If it became public that we have the technology to go from coast to coast in minutes without the use of oil, the entire planet would implode.



Absolutely

The questions is if “we” have it
From what I've been told, and granted these people have low-level clearance, but I'm about 75% sure we have it and have had it for quite some time. And yes, it has to be suppressed or it would disrupt our very existence.
Posted by beerJeep
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Posted on 4/25/19 at 5:27 pm to
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ThinePreparedAni


My dude with the perfect timing, again
Posted by IceTiger
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Posted on 4/25/19 at 5:57 pm to
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From what I've been told, and granted these people have low-level clearance, but I'm about 75% sure we have it and have had it for quite some time.


I had low (well comparitively) level clearance and I'm somewhere close to the same probability that it's true.
Some where beyond here:
Posted by Big_Slim
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Posted on 4/26/19 at 1:54 pm to
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My dude with the perfect timing, again


I don’t think it’s timing as much as the fact that you smoke a lot of weed
Posted by bmy
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Posted on 4/26/19 at 8:10 pm to
LINK

NASA and FEMA will simulate an impending asteroid strike
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 4/26/19 at 10:16 pm to
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From what I've been told, and granted these people have low-level clearance, but I'm about 75% sure we have it and have had it for quite some time.


Recent article exploring this

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/27666/what-the-hell-is-going-on-with-ufos-and-department-of-defense

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What The Hell Is Going On With UFOs And The Department Of Defense?

Someone or something appears to have some extremely advanced technology and the Pentagon is actively changing the nature of the conversation about it.

BY TYLER ROGOWAYAPRIL 26, 2019


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Few stories have garnered more requests from our readers for commentary than the recent news that the Navy has decided to very publicly change its reporting rules and procedures for when its personnel observes an unexplained phenomenon like a UFO and a USO. There have been wildly varying takes on this sudden change, but the truth is that it is very hard to know what to make of it considering how absurd it sounds—the Navy now wants to know about unidentified craft that can penetrate airspace over its installations and around its most capable naval vessels with impunity? Shouldn't that be a default position for a service tasked with defending American interests and controlling vast swathes of area above, below, and on the surface of the Earth?


Note, the Navy is taking the lead because it also involves submersible objects...

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The technology is real
The fact is that we actually know that in the last 15 years, under at least some circumstances, the military has wanted certain high-fidelity data related to encounters with what many would call UFOs. The most compelling encounter of our time, at least that we know of, occurred in and around where the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group was operating during workups to deployment in 2004.


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When it comes to the so-called "Tic Tac" incident that involved the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group off the Baja Peninsula in 2004, conclusions that are nearly impossible not to draw from it are so reality warping that even the forward-thinking aerospace community doesn't seem to have even begun coming to terms with them.


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The main revelation is that technology exists that is capable of performing flying maneuvers that shatter our perceptions of propulsion, flight controls, material science, and even physics. Let me underline this again for you, the Nimitz encounter with the Tic Tac proved that exotic technology that is widely thought of as the domain of science fiction actually exists. It is real. It isn't the result of altered perception, someone's lucid dream, a stray weather balloon, or swamp gas. Someone or something has crossed the technological Rubicon and has obtained what some would call the Holy Grail of aerospace engineering.


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The key takeaway here is that if ever there was an opportune time to capture the very best real-world sensor data on a high-performance target in near lab-like controlled settings offered by the restricted airspace off the Baja Coast, this was it. And by intention or chance, this is exactly what happened.


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By multiple accounts from vetted first-hand sources, the hard drives that record CEC data from the E-2C Hawkeye and Aegis-equipped ships were seized in a very mysterious fashion following the Tic Tac incident. Uniformed U.S. Air Force officers showed up on these vessels and confiscated the devices and they were never to be seen again. This is not rumor or hearsay, this is attested to by multiple uniformed witnesses that were on the vessels that made up the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group at the time.


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Could it be ours?

The latter possibility is also very hard for people to come to terms with—that this capability could belong to the U.S. military. There is no better place to test such a system than against the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group with its CEC abilities during its workup off the Baja Coast. It is not an operational environment. Aircraft are not armed and nobody is expecting a fight. It is high-level integrated training with crews that have sharpened skills as they prepare for a cruise in which they could very well be called upon to fight for their country. Those warning areas and range complexes that extend out and down from the Channel Islands off the SoCal coast are among the best space the U.S. military has for training and testing advanced hardware and tactics in a secure and sanitized environment. In other words, it was an ideal testing environment that featured the very best aerial, surface, and undersea surveillance sensors and sensor crews on the planet.


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In addition, the fact is that the U.S. government has poured the equivalent of tens of billions of dollars each year into the black budget for the better part of a century. The idea that somewhere along the way they got lucky and made major breakthroughs in highly exotic technologies may not be convenient to believe as a possibility for those that have grander visions for the unexplained, but I contend that it is quite plausible. In fact, it mirrors the cryptic statements made by top players in the dark areas of aerospace development, such as those of the late Ben Rich, a Lockheed's Skunk Works chief that is largely credited for giving birth to stealth technology as we know it today.

For instance, Rich told Popular Mechanics the following that underscores just how long major breakthroughs in man-made clandestine aerospace technology can stay hidden:

"There are some new programs, and there are certain things, some of them 20 or 30 years old, that are still breakthroughs and appropriate to keep quiet about other people don’t have them yet."


I personally feel we are dealing with supressed/forbidden science

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With all this in mind, the idea that the Navy is supposedly just now interested in what its aviators and sailors see when it comes to unexplained craft peculiar and nebulous, to say the least. [b]One can't help but feel there are two realities at play within America's defense apparatus—one that sits on or very near the surface and one that resides deep below it
.


This theme permeates many of the threads I make...
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 4/27/19 at 10:32 am to
From the loons at Oxford/ Oxford professor..

https://www.oxfordstudent.com/2019/04/26/oxford-professors-theory-on-climate-change-and-alien-abduction/

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Oxford Professor Argues Invisible Aliens Are Interbreeding With Humans
News
University News
26th April 2019 The News Team


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Dr Chi claims that aliens share our biosphere and are acting to overcome the effects of climate change.
Dr Chi outlined his views in a 2012 lecture and has since written a book. In April 2018,
Dr Chi approached The Oxford Union to propose a debate on the subject. The proposal was not accepted.


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The Oxford Student has learnt that Dr Young-hae Chi, Professor at Oxford’s Oriental Institute, believes in a strong correlation between climate change and alien abductions. In 2012, Dr Chi gave a lecture at the the Ammach Conference, titled ‘Alien Abduction and the Environmental Crisis’ in which he outlined his theory concerning the presence of aliens on earth.

Dr Chi began his lecture with the statement that “perhaps human civilisation is coming to an end”.

In his fifty-five minute presentation he cited Dr David Jacobs, an ‘abduction researcher’ in the US, who argued that aliens’ primary purpose is to colonise the earth, by interbreeding with humans to produce a new hybrid species. Second generation ‘hybrids’ are, according to Jacobs, walking unobserved among us.


Robert Bigelo (Bigelo Aerospace /defense contractor) stated the same in his interview with 60 minutes (look it up for yourself)

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He concludes that “it may be more or less assumed that the hybrid project is a response to this impending demise of human civilisation”.

He went on to argue that if we act now on climate change, “not only can we save ourselves, but also prove aliens wrong in their judgement of our moral capacity”.


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Since the conference, Dr Chi has developed his theory, writing a book in Korean, the title of which roughly translates to: ‘Alien Visitations and the End of Humanity’. Dr Chi spoke exclusively to The Oxford Student regarding his theory. When asked whether he still holds the views outlined in the 2012 Conference, Dr Chi answered positively, elaborating on his views about alien abductions, the comprehensive biosphere theory and his hypotheses as to the reasons for ETs creating new human species.

Dr Chi believes that there are four types of aliens: small; tall and bold; aliens with scales and snake eyes; and finally, insect-like aliens. The latter of these seems to be the highest in the hierarchy, he said, and gives orders to the lower ranks.

Whilst he states that cases of alien abductions are diverse, he notes that “what is common is that they are all conducting some kind of biological experiment, including the production of a hybrid.” Explaining his theory of a comprehensive bio-system, Dr Chi stated, “If they are far, they shouldn’t be concerned about us. I don’t think they are from far away, they are just next to us, we can’t see them. We can use an analogy of fish which can think and perceive things only in the way they can and humans also perceive only in the way we can, so our perception of the world is limited by our organs.” According to Dr Chi’s theory, the fact that aliens and humans share the same biosphere means that climate change bears a negative impact on them, thus accounting for their increased interference in human affairs.

Dr Chi went on to outline his three hypotheses as to why aliens may want to produce hybrids with humans. He stated, “One possibility is that they find our DNA valuable for the preservation of the stock. Secondly, to create species which can survive in the future climate conditions…Thirdly, some abductees report that these hybrids are of a very high intelligence, so are they producing these hybrids as a problem-solver, a future leader?”


This fits what I have come across (including ancient/esoteric traditions). Our reality is dictated by our perceptions (a band wrote a few songs about this...)

The territory gets very strange/very quick (at least for the hardcore material reductionist), but disparate phenomena become quite unified when viewed through this lens...
Posted by beerJeep
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Posted on 4/27/19 at 10:42 am to
Time to smoke

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don’t think it’s timing as much as the fact that you smoke a lot of weed


This is true
This post was edited on 4/27/19 at 10:44 am
Posted by scrooster
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 4/27/19 at 12:13 pm to
You’ve obviously never considered the third option ... that we’re inside some kind of a construct.

I’m kinda laughing at myself right now, but it’s honestly the only one that really makes sense to me after all of these decades of pondering the various possibilities.
Posted by Sunbeam
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Posted on 4/27/19 at 12:19 pm to
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You’ve obviously never considered the third option ... that we’re inside some kind of a construct.

I’m kinda laughing at myself right now, but it’s honestly the only one that really makes sense to me after all of these decades of pondering the various possibilities.




If I said God was omnipotent, created the universe, and could reshape reality as he sees fit instantly - how does that differ from us being in a simulation?

You could go all semantic and talk about that is "reality." But then you could say there is no difference between reality and simulation.

And we are actually a simulation, inside a simulation, inside a simulation...

Pass the Bong.
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