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Nagin victim of federal over reach---I agree
Posted on 2/13/14 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 2/13/14 at 8:26 pm
He is guilty of crimes no doubt. He should be prosecuted by Louisiana and sent to Angola---
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Where did all these laws come from that allow the Fed to trasp into the state and go after these people? Frankly it was the same for EWE.
We should be doing our criminal prosecution. We all know the state will not because they are political cowards but I don't like the fed exerting so much power.
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Where did all these laws come from that allow the Fed to trasp into the state and go after these people? Frankly it was the same for EWE.
We should be doing our criminal prosecution. We all know the state will not because they are political cowards but I don't like the fed exerting so much power.
This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 2/13/14 at 8:51 pm to I B Freeman
Nevermind
This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 8:52 pm
Posted on 2/13/14 at 8:53 pm to I B Freeman
You posted this yesterday.....I think in occurrences like this the Feds generally get involved. Why does it really matter? Hell it saves the taxpayers in this state money.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 8:55 pm to I B Freeman
I know it happens all the time but every witness against Nagin first stated that there were no bribes then once the Feds threatened them and thier familes with crimes (and offered deals) their stories changed.
I also think that this verdict will one day be overturned.
I also think that this verdict will one day be overturned.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:03 pm to The Stash
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every witness against Nagin first stated that there were no bribes
It's not difficult to understand why they denied participating in a felony before being shown corroborating evidence that could put them in Fed prison for a decade or more so they decided to squeal on Choc City man to lessen their own sentences.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:06 pm to LSURussian
Oh, I understand. It is just odd that the govt pays off (or bribes) people to get them to say what they want them to say.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:07 pm to LSURussian
lying to a federal officer is a federal offense...soooo once the feds got involved those people faced federal charges if they kept lying
This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:09 pm to TJG210
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Why does it really matter? Hell it saves the taxpayers in this state money.
Because we forfeit any notion of sovereignty. We have as individuals far more influence to restrict the power of the State than we do the Fed.
Nobody posting on this forum could not be successfully prosecuted for some federal offense given all the power we have ceded to the fed in regards to criminal, civil and administrative law.
A letter to Santa Claus is mail fraud.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:11 pm to I B Freeman
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Because we forfeit any notion of sovereignty
Well in certain states like ours for sure, we need the feds to prosecute and try big criminals.
Our stupid arse DA's and jury's could fck up a wet dream. Thank God for the feds.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:17 pm to notiger1997
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Well in certain states like ours for sure, we need the feds to prosecute and try big criminals.
Our stupid arse DA's and jury's could fck up a wet dream.
Unfortunatley we do not expect our DAs to do their job.
I think the AG should be appointed by the Governor (many states do this) instead of elected and I think judges should be appointed (many states do this) to 10 year terms instead of elected. That would take some politics out of it. Oh there would politics around the appointments no doubt but today the AGs and judges today depend on contributors and voters. There can be no doubt vote and campaign money influence prosecution.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:21 pm to I B Freeman
You can't leave it up to the state to prosecute their fellow crim..err lawyers/politicians/buddy's. Edwards should have died in jail. Either you will get a crony or you will get someone who hates the person being tried. You need as impartial an investigator as possible.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:26 pm to vodkacop
To think the only federal crime for the first 150 years or so of US history was treason.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:28 pm to I B Freeman
VC covered it. I am generally not a fan of the feds. But, the only counter to the ridiculousness at the municipal and state level sometimes is their oversight. Otherwise, it's just a continuing cycle of local corruption.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:39 pm to I B Freeman
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He is guilty of crimes no doubt. He should be prosecuted by Louisiana and sent to Angola---
LINK
Where did all these laws come from that allow the Fed to trasp into the state and go after these people? Frankly it was the same for EWE.
We should be doing our criminal prosecution. We all know the state will not because they are political cowards but I don't like the fed exerting so much power.
UUUgghhh...
yeah...
You know those bribes Nagin took? He took them for awarding contracts to the people giving him the bribe. Do you know who where the money was coming from to pay those contracts? Uncle Sam. That was the Federal taxpayers money Nagin was signing away for bribes. If that doesn't mean the Federal government con prosecute him, I have no idea what does.
The other charges? Let's look at them all.
#1 Taking bribes for giving away contracts funded by federal dollars - obvious federal issue.
#2 Filing false tax returns with the IRS. That's the IRS of the United States. Obvious federal issue.
#3 Wire Fraud - The indictment lists 9 instances in which Nagin used interstate wire communication for the purposes of executing the federal crimes in #1. The Federal government has specific Constitutional authority to regulate intestate commerce - and he was committing the fraud for the purposes of committing the federal crime in #1.
#4 Money Laundering - Used to conceal proceeds from the crimes he committed in #1. Obvious federal interest.
#5 Conspiracy - he committed the crimes in #1 - #4 with others.
This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:41 pm to SpidermanTUba
He broke plenty of state laws Tuba. Caldwell could probably prosecute him today.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:42 pm to I B Freeman
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:46 pm to SpidermanTUba
Ok add piracy and counterfeiting and mail fraud 80 years into the country's history.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 9:55 pm to I B Freeman
Here's a good read for you Tuba.
Let me know if you can't open the link
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Let me know if you can't open the link
LINK
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The U.S. Constitution mentions three federal crimes by citizens: treason, piracy and counterfeiting. By the turn of the 20th century, the number of criminal statutes numbered in the dozens. Today, there are an estimated 4,500 crimes in federal statutes, according to a 2008 study by retired Louisiana State University law professor John Baker.
There are also thousands of regulations that carry criminal penalties. Some laws are so complex, scholars debate whether they represent one offense, or scores of offenses.
Counting them is impossible. The Justice Department spent two years trying in the 1980s, but produced only an estimate: 3,000 federal criminal offenses.
The American Bar Association tried in the late 1990s, but concluded only that the number was likely much higher than 3,000. The ABA's report said "the amount of individual citizen behavior now potentially subject to federal criminal control has increased in astonishing proportions in the last few decades."
A Justice spokeswoman said there was no quantifiable number. Criminal statutes are sprinkled throughout some 27,000 pages of the federal code.
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