re: My theory: Legalizing infanticide is meant to bring RvW back to SCOTUS

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Well. Let me ask you.

If a state passed a law tomorrow that allowed mothers to kill their babies within 5 days of birth if the baby had a birth defect, do you think that could find it's way to the court?

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Yes.

That case would involve the potential loss of life of a legal person, and someone woud have legal standing to protect that existing legal person in an ad litem capacity.

Taking this hypo to the extreme I suppose that a state COULD pass a law giving legal status to a fetus and thus opening the door to appointment of an ad litem, but it strikes me as unlikely that such a state would also be a jurisdiction that would allow late-term convenience abortions in the first place

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So I guess they are saying that carrying the baby to term is great so long as you can kill it while you’re in labor?

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Handmaid’s Tale is about involuntary servitude.

I had not thought of this angle, but it looks like it could be very plausible and accurate.

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Do you want this regulated by the states or not?

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Unalienable rights are not State issues. If they were then Mississippi could legalize lynching blacks, Utah could murder indians, Cali could kill rednecks, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera


Your attempt at a gotcha was, like you, fricking retarded. Thanks for playing

They can just give the child up for adoption

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So, someone please lay out the theory as to how this hypothetical case reaches SCOTUS.

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Aggrieved father of a baby whose mother is threatening to have a late term abortion and/or prolife group advocating on behalf of an unborn baby killed late term brings a due process constitutional challenge against the state of New York, or Virginia or Rhode Island for depriving the baby of life without she procsss of Law and/or equal protection regarding a Down’s syndrome baby aborted on the Basis of a blood test indicating that the baby has a birth defect.

Supreme Court is then forced to square the laws against infanticide and criminalizing murder of a pregnant woman as murdering two people and is forced to consider the point at which the law considers a baby to be a human life entitling the baby to constitutional protection independent of the mother.

Pro abortion people always say “choice of the mother” and “mothers body.” They don’t want to acknowledge and consider that there are at least 3 people involved in her “decision” - mother, father (shares genetic traits with infant and necessary body parts of father form baby) and baby. I won't get into grandparents, aunts, uncles, brothers and sisters etc., who start loving unborn babies before they are born.

Edit: Dems better be careful what they wish for bc the Due Process / Equal Protection arguments are res nova, and they just set the stage for considering them. Dumb arse Democrats. ALWAYS overplay their hands. They just cannot help themselves

Has anyone ever been convicted of murder or manslaughter in NY of a pregnant woman?

Just saying, by the rationale of this law... if you kill the woman, it's just one murder, right?

And what about miscarriages? Can anyone be guilty in any way of causing one?

Or is this kind of thing solely a woman't prerogative and convenience?

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Has anyone ever been convicted of murder or manslaughter in NY of a pregnant woman?

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Would have to look up New York Law.

However, the state of California sentenced a guy named Scott Peterson to death for the murder of his wife Lacey, and their unborn child Conner.

I would assume if it’s possible to do in the land of fruits and nuts, it’s dedinitely possible in NY, Virginia or Rhode Island.

Edit: I also believe It is criminal conduct, for example, in Louisiana to use illicit drugs like cocaine when nursing or pregnant. Another of our criminal poliboard barristers May be more helpful on that front.