re: My first "I hate roads" Thread of 2017 (Trigger Warning: Meme Inside)

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people are not rational animals.


so how do free markets work?

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They work when humans of all varieties of irrationality and bias come together and agree on price.

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trying to build infrastructure.

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a casino?

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There are no legally operating private prisons. There are non government corporations contracted, paid, and regulated by the state to operate prisons. This is in no way a private industry, and if government ceased to pay for the operation of these prisons, they would become some of the worlds most intense paintball courses.

It's lazy to call prisons "private", but roads "public" because the funding mechanism for contracted prisons and roads are nearly identical.

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I understand and respect all of this. I should have been more specific and said "privately operated prisons".

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So? I fail to see your point here. everyone doesn't need to agree to the sale.

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So eminent domain then. Forcefully using the power of government (in this case, the majority of the people) to size private property. I didn't add "for the common good" because that is of course a relative concept.

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Fantasy? Fantasy is believing that infrastructure is impossible without the state or theft. Demonstrably false. The fact that you believe in this fantasy is disappointing, and "irrational".

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If it's demonstrably false, please, demonstrate a nation that is able to do it.

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No. that's YOUR paradigm. Stop attributing statist logic to me. I didn't say this.

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Please, describe to me your ideal process of how a road would go from need/concept to completion so that I can tear it apart.

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Your statist paradigm is your problem man, not mine. I have no problem visualizing how transportation could occur without the state, or utilities, or law enforcement, or anything else really. It's simple for me. I don't constrain myself to statist paradigms for how these services operate.

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Then please describe it in detail.

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The Metropolitan Development Housing Agency has filed papers to use eminent domain to acquire the last out property stopping a proposed $100 million mixed-used office and hotel project at 1515 Demonbreun.

MDHA filed the necessary papers in Circuit Court in Nashville to begin acquisition of 23 Music Circle East, according to a press release from the agency Friday. Eminent domain refers to the power of the state to take private property for public use with payment of compensation to the owner if the action is considered for public good.

MDHA made an agreement in March with Lionstone to buy the property owned by Joy Ford and sell it back at cost to the developer.

"This filing does not mean the land will be taken immediately," MDHA Director of Development Joe Cain says in the release. "In fact, we hope we can still find a way to negotiate this matter and purchase the property."

"However, to this point, multiple, generous offers to purchase the land by both MDHA and by the developer (five other developments groups have also tried to purchase the property for redevelopment since 2000) have been rejected," Cain adds.

Ford's property is located in a Metro Arts Center Redevelopment District. Ford's property includes about one-fifth acre and a 1960s-era one-story brick building.

Ford had been offered at least $600,000 for the building and property, but has said in the past she either doesn't want to sell at all, or she wants $12 million.

Cain says the agency was reluctant to use eminent domain, but it had clearly reached an impasse. Ford's property is the only piece of land the Lionstone developer has not been able to acquire for the project.

The development would include the construction of a 225,000 square-foot office building with retail at the ground level, as well as a future phase that will include a 125-room upscale, luxury hotel and luxury, high-rise condominium tower.

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Here is one for you. This happened a few years ago in Nashville. She wanted 20 times the FMV for 1/5 an acre.

She did win in court and kept her land and they built 120' multifamily/shopping complex on 3 sides of her property.

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No, it makes total sense in this context. Markets work because people are rational, and make decisions based on said rationality.

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Oh my god I



I cant stop



Too much man, too much.

I'm trying to help you not look retarded right now.


Take the help man. For your own good.

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How you been?

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Not bad. You? Was curious if you ever listen to Sam Harris podcasts. He has lots of moslem/middle-east type scholars on to talk with him about Islam. Was curious to what degree you thought he was constructive.

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a great example of infrastructure in my mind

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the basic physical and organizational structures and facilities (e.g., buildings, roads, and power supplies) needed for the operation of a society or enterprise.

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The Metropolitan Development Housing Agency

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A parking lot.

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for a casino?

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why are you getting all caught up in the motivations for infrastructure?

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i think you've gone a bit far b/c i don't think we have anything close to an agreement on what "infrastructure" is

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thought you wanted to discuss process, not morality.

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i created another path/discussion after that example was used

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Either you're just trolling or you really haven't done any solid debate on this with a person of contrary opinion.

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i don't know if we're going to go far if you flatly reject that free market require rational actors