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re: My 16 year old daughter has covid.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:10 pm to JayWhite
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:10 pm to JayWhite
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It's pretty simple. I've been discussing things based on a consensus of the data.
Simple question: If someone's work depends on skewed or manipulated data, can the results be trusted?
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:11 pm to JayWhite
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I linked directly to the FDA, the CDC, and the exact study someone try to cherry-pick earlier.
I haven't read every post in the thread.
Alas, "linking" isn't "hey, here's the data and here's how I understand it and why I think it matters.
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It isn't because that's exactly what you did. Now you're trying to explain why you did it.
It isn't "eliminating" to describe the HUGE differences.
quote:LOL. There's zero dishonest about a word I've typed. I've been exceedingly clear and consistent about my position and where it comes from.
You started off with promise, but your intellectual dishonesty got the better of you and your true intent here showed through.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:11 pm to BillWilliamson
All you have to do is read this and it will all make sense.
Former KGB Agent tells us what is happening right now.
Former KGB Agent tells us what is happening right now.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:13 pm to JayWhite
quote:When you claim YOU have done something, demanding you show it is perfectly rational.
When all else fails, scream for links.
quote:You've made no attempt whatsoever to refute a single take on the data I've made.
Then maybe you just aren't very good at communicating that. I don't know. All I can go off is what I've seen in the thread.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:36 pm to Blue_Rocky
I asked him a simple yes/no question:
If your work depends on skewed or manipulated data, can the results be trusted?
If your work depends on skewed or manipulated data, can the results be trusted?
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:38 pm to JayWhite
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I've been discussing things based on a consensus of the data.
Systems, which are worthless for individual participation.
"SyStEmS aRe RaCiSt" until this one came around, I guess.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:40 pm to Blue_Rocky
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I haven't read every post in the thread.
Ok. I fail to see how this is my problem.
When you inject yourself into a conversation, it's your responsibility to catch up, not mine.
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?This is just an idiotic interpretation barely worthy of anything but laughing.
It isn't "eliminating" to describe the HUGE differences.
You posted exactly two data, I believe, which so happened to be favorable to your point.
There's nothing else to call that.
quote:
LOL. There's zero dishonest about a word I've typed. I've been exceedingly clear and consistent about my position and where it comes from.
Cherry-picking data is intellectually dishonest.
Conciseness doesn't absolve you of that.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:40 pm to oogabooga68
quote:I know. And I understand why you asked.
I asked him a simple yes/no question:
If your work depends on skewed or manipulated data, can the results be trusted?
That said, it is my assertion that the CDC data AS IT EXISTS doesn't even support the non-sense it's used to support.
And make no mistake. This is why despite me pointing to multiple pieces of their data, he NEVER ONCE even tried to refute it.
That's the thing about data. The problem is rarely with the data(although sometimes it is). The problem is almost always with the portrayal of said data. The link example I gave of the CDC comically creating a scary chart from non-scary data was a good example of this.
I just don't find it productive to attempt to refute the data he wants to look at. I find it more productive to say, "cool............your data doesn't support your conclusion". Which, it flat out doesn't.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:42 pm to Blue_Rocky
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When you claim YOU have done something, demanding you show it is perfectly rational.
Again, when YOU insert yourself into a discussion, it's on YOU to catch up.
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You've made no attempt whatsoever to refute a single take on the data I've made.
Of course I have. I made the controversial request for you to look at all the data. I think that would cover it, assuming you are willing to change your mind in the face of reality.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:43 pm to JayWhite
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You posted exactly two data, I believe, which so happened to be favorable to your point.
There's nothing else to call that.
Oh. I'm sorry. I didn't realize that somewhere in this thread, you posted the entire library of data from the CDC.
Yes. The data supported my point. The end. If you have some data to count with, have at it.
quote:Calling the use of data cherry picking WITHOUT showing how there's other data to refute said conclusion is dishonest. Otherwise, "cherry picking" could be the reply to literally every use of data in this history of the world.
Cherry-picking data is intellectually dishonest.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:44 pm to JayWhite
quote:False
Of course I have
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I made the controversial request for you to look at all the data. I think that would cover it,
quote:Says the guy who STILL hasn't said HOW my data or interpretation thereof is incorrect. Not ONCE. Other than to cry "Cherry picking".
assuming you are willing to change your mind in the face of reality.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:45 pm to JayWhite
If your work depends on skewed or manipulated data, can the results be trusted?
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:46 pm to Blue_Rocky
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I didn't realize that somewhere in this thread, you posted the entire library of data from the CDC.
I posted organic links to referenced study. I didn't isolate only data that were convenient.
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Yes. The data supported my point. The end. If you have some data to count with, have at it.
And this is how I know you don't understand data analysis.
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Calling the use of data cherry picking WITHOUT showing how there's other data to refute said conclusion is dishonest. Otherwise, "cherry picking" could be the reply to literally every use of data in this history of the world.
Is it just that you don't know what cherry-picking is?
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:48 pm to Blue_Rocky
You know what's funny...
The second I posted that actual study, everyone shut the frick up about it.
Now we've shifted to demands for me to refute every baseless claim made in the thread.
Not one of you has continued to support that bullshite claim, so that's something, I suppose.
The second I posted that actual study, everyone shut the frick up about it.
Now we've shifted to demands for me to refute every baseless claim made in the thread.
Not one of you has continued to support that bullshite claim, so that's something, I suppose.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:50 pm to Blue_Rocky
I also find it hilarious that when I did call out specific data that you provided, and provided a reason why, you pivoted to some bullshite about finality of outcomes.
Textbook intellectual dishonesty.
Textbook intellectual dishonesty.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:54 pm to JayWhite
quote:Oh my friggin God.
I posted organic links to referenced study. I didn't isolate only data that were convenient.
You're counting THIS posts as a response to MY data?
And, even worse, it's nothing more than a link drop with ZERO input from you regarding how the data is useful in any way. The rough equivalent of linking google.com
Last Post on this page. My God. It's actually more pathetically lazy than I assumed without looking. You don't actually undertand the data. That's why you avoid speaking about it in specifics. Because you cannot.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:56 pm to JayWhite
quote:Alas, I have never made a claim counter to the study you linked.........AND..........the link makes no attempt to address anything I've asserted in this thread.
You know what's funny...
The second I posted that actual study, everyone shut the frick up about it.
You might as well have said, "oh yeah!!! But purple!!!"
Also. My very first post in this thread was 2 pages after AND, was about Invermectin which I specifically said I don't know shite about.
This post was edited on 8/30/21 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:57 pm to Blue_Rocky
He still avoiding my simple question
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:58 pm to JayWhite
quote:This still has yet to occur unless your definition of "calling out" is to say "nuh uh".
I also find it hilarious that when I did call out specific data that you provided
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:58 pm to Blue_Rocky
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You're counting THIS posts as a response to MY data?
Your assertion was that I've provided no data, or reference to data. Thank you for demonstrating one example of how you were wrong.
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And, even worse, it's nothing more than a link drop with ZERO input from you regarding how the data is useful in any way.
I've provided context throughout the thread.
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