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Mueller may have violated Manafort's IV Amendment RIght

Posted on 10/30/17 at 1:20 pm
Posted by tigerbaitlawyer
Member since Jun 2016
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Posted on 10/30/17 at 1:20 pm
Mueller may have violated Manafort's IV Amendment RIght

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During that raid, Mueller’s investigators took documents considered to be covered by attorney-client privilege, sources told CNN. Lawyers from the WilmerHale law firm, representing Manafort at the time, warned Mueller’s office that their search warrant didn’t allow access to attorney materials. The documents in question have now been returned, the sources say.


n 2005, Eric D. McArthur, who coincidentally now serves as Deputy Associate Attorney General at the U.S. Department of Justice, authored an article about the Fourth Amendment implications if investigators collect attorney-client privileged information. He wrote:


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[T]he Fourth Amendment is violated when the government purposely, knowingly, recklessly, or negligently searches privileged attorney-client communications. In other words, the Fourth Amendment is violated whenever law enforcement officials have reason to believe that a search or seizure is likely to expose them to privileged attorney-client communications and fail to take reasonable steps to minimize their exposure.


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Ex-campaign adviser Paul Manafort turned himself in Monday after being indicted for money laundering, and a slew of other financial crimes. The feds alleged he illegally funneled millions of dollars of payments into offshore bank accounts in order to avoid detection by U.S. authorities as it related to his work on behalf of former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych. While the indictment containing Manfort’s alleged criminal activities is very detailed, and well-documented, there is one area that could hurt Mueller’s investigation. Mueller’s team may have obtained evidence in the raid of Paul Manafort’s home that was not covered by the search warrant. That could be problematic.

In a surprise raid on July 26th, FBI agents busted into Manafort’s home in Alexandria, Virginia to collect documents and other materials related to the FBI probe into whether the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians. At the time, Manafort’s attorney raised concerns about how the raid was conducted. In order for the feds to obtain a warrant, a federal judge would have to determine that probable cause existed that a crime was committed. As part of the warrant, investigators attached an affidavit which contained a list of items that FBI agents hoped to collect. That’s where the trouble appears to be in Manafort’s case.

As a legal website, we were immediately drawn to the revelation that evidence was collected that may not have been covered by the warrant. That’s a serious development, and one that Manafort’s attorneys will no doubt seize upon. But, is it necessarily illegal? Did the agents do anything wrong? It’s not clear. It certainly could raise some serious constitutional issues that could taint the investigation.

Through an older CNN article, we get a bit more of a hint about what specifically the agents may have gathered:

During that raid, Mueller’s investigators took documents considered to be covered by attorney-client privilege, sources told CNN. Lawyers from the WilmerHale law firm, representing Manafort at the time, warned Mueller’s office that their search warrant didn’t allow access to attorney materials. The documents in question have now been returned, the sources say.

As the article points out, this certainly brings up concerns as to what exactly was seized, what investigators saw, and who handled the material. You can’t “unsee” evidence once you saw it.

“If they (investigators) had any kind of heads up, and they went beyond the scope of the warrant, that could be a problem,” Henry Hockeimer, a former federal prosecutor, told LawNewz.com.

In 2005, Eric D. McArthur, who coincidentally now serves as Deputy Associate Attorney General at the U.S. Department of Justice, authored an article about the Fourth Amendment implications if investigators collect attorney-client privileged information. He wrote:

[T]he Fourth Amendment is violated when the government purposely, knowingly, recklessly, or negligently searches privileged attorney-client communications. In other words, the Fourth Amendment is violated whenever law enforcement officials have reason to believe that a search or seizure is likely to expose them to privileged attorney-client communications and fail to take reasonable steps to minimize their exposure.

A similar issue came up recently in a case against Wall Street financier Benjamin Wey. A federal judge threw out all of the evidence gathered against him through warrants because the “sweeping” searches of his property violated his Fourth Amendment right. Judge Alison Nathan found that the searches were “grossly negligent” in that they collected evidence that went beyond the scope of the warrant like medical records, and divorce records. In the case of Manafort, it appears that his lawyers warned investigators about the existence of attorney-client privileged documents and memos. If investigators didn’t take the proper precautions to avoid collecting these documents, they could be in trouble for violating Manafort’s constitutional rights.

If, on the other hand, investigators accidentally seized privileged attorney-client communication, they could be in the clear, as the Supreme Court has found this is probably not a Fourth Amendment violation. In other words, if agents just made an innocent mistake, quickly returned the documents, they may be okay, depending on the steps that were taken. It is not clear at this point when Manafort’s lawyers warned the FBI of the existence of this material.

“Generally, if agents seize privileged materials, (Manafort) could argue the entire search was tainted, they went beyond the scope of the warrant. A defense attorney could make some hay out of this,” Hockeimer said.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
79634 posts
Posted on 10/30/17 at 1:21 pm to
What a clusterfrick this whole thing is.
Posted by jamboybarry
Member since Feb 2011
32646 posts
Posted on 10/30/17 at 1:21 pm to
Would be funny if this whole thing (the largest fish Mueller has gone after) ends up getting tossed out because Mueller wanted to act like Manafort was David Korresh
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
32530 posts
Posted on 10/30/17 at 1:21 pm to
I would find it hard to believe they made a rookie mistake like that on a case this publicize unless they are purposefully trying to frick it up.
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 10/30/17 at 1:21 pm to
Good lord, just say "He should fight it in court", man
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
17973 posts
Posted on 10/30/17 at 1:22 pm to
We told you guys that manafort was nothing but a diversion.

He agreed to take the bad publicity to help drain the swamp.
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 10/30/17 at 1:23 pm to
Muellers effed

1 - Fruit of the poison tree
2 - Violated atty/client privilege
3 - No Russian connections

All on charges from things done years ago. Sloppy work
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
17973 posts
Posted on 10/30/17 at 1:25 pm to
quote:

Muellers effed

1 - Fruit of the poison tree
2 - Violated atty/client privilege
3 - No Russian connections

All on charges from things done years ago. Sloppy work


Or FBIanon was right and Mueller is there to help Trump.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
36013 posts
Posted on 10/30/17 at 1:26 pm to
The 4th Amendment is dead. The intelligence community, law enforcement, authoritarian jurists and the political establishment of both parties have killed it.
Posted by Old Hellen Yeller
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9415 posts
Posted on 10/30/17 at 1:26 pm to
I would think Mueller knows that his every move will be examined with a microscope, and is therefore prepared for these sort of attacks.
Posted by Seldom Seen
Member since Feb 2016
39990 posts
Posted on 10/30/17 at 1:26 pm to
Manafort was a good boy. Manafort dindu nuffin!
Posted by alatxtgr
The Nation of Texas
Member since Sep 2006
2283 posts
Posted on 10/30/17 at 1:34 pm to
They LEAKED the Grand Jury info on the coming arrest and charges, all of which is against the law. Is that a rookie mistake???
Posted by austintigerdad
Llano County, TX
Member since Nov 2010
1884 posts
Posted on 10/30/17 at 1:45 pm to
quote:

They LEAKED the Grand Jury info on the coming arrest and charges, all of which is against the law. Is that a rookie mistake???
Some Repugs' obvious failure to comprehend facts is obvious.

The NYT had their story on those indictments ready for press before dawn today.

That means that last week law enforcement agencies disclosed the indictments to the targets' attorneys, who told their clients and essential legal staff, who told a few close relatives and friends on the condition they wouldn't repeat the story, who told...

Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 10/30/17 at 1:53 pm to
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That means that last week law enforcement agencies disclosed the indictments to the targets' attorneys,

Really? Maybe you missed Manafort's lawyer when he tweeted out that no one had notified him of pending charges

Or that Gates came to court WITHOUT a lawyer today

Now again, who got notified in your world of "No leaks from Mueller"?
Posted by austintigerdad
Llano County, TX
Member since Nov 2010
1884 posts
Posted on 10/30/17 at 2:03 pm to
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Really? Maybe you missed Manafort's lawyer when he tweeted out that no one had notified him of pending charges
You must really believe in coincidences to think that Mueller's team kept these indictments secret for months, only to leak them a few hours before they were unsealed.

Posted by tiger4life69
Member since Jan 2005
374 posts
Posted on 10/30/17 at 2:37 pm to
Nope. Keep fishing.
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 10/30/17 at 2:44 pm to
CNN had it on Thursday

Of all the networks, Trump's side is going to leak to them?

Or Manafort's side?
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
134845 posts
Posted on 10/30/17 at 2:46 pm to
People are playing so many different angles to spin this their way that I have no clue what's actually going on
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
Member since Nov 2012
51625 posts
Posted on 10/30/17 at 2:47 pm to
Keep reaching
Posted by JackieTreehorn
Malibu
Member since Sep 2013
29053 posts
Posted on 10/30/17 at 2:49 pm to
All of this bullshite just because a certain group of people can't accept defeat.
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