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re: More ships in Venezuela at risk of seizure
Posted on 12/11/25 at 7:43 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 12/11/25 at 7:43 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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RogerTheShrubber
You really need to go outside and get some fresh air. All this angst is starting to worry me.
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Posted on 12/11/25 at 7:44 pm to CapnKangaroo
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You really need to go outside and get some fresh air
Are you a gossip like Psychetiger?
Posted on 12/11/25 at 7:45 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I don’t know who that is but you are extra upset about this Venezuela thing.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 7:46 pm to CapnKangaroo
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I don’t know who that is
A very bored woman who loves to gossip.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 7:46 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Why does the other posters comment about oil rigs being financed by private American and seized by the Venezuelan govt not illicit the same response from you? This is probably why no wants wants to legitimately converse with you - you’re not displaying objectivity whatsoever
Posted on 12/11/25 at 7:47 pm to RogerTheShrubber
And you are a very bored man who likes to get angry at strangers on the internet
Posted on 12/11/25 at 7:48 pm to jnethe1
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Transport of Sanctioned Venezuelan Oil: At the time of seizure, The Skipper was carrying approximately 1.8 million barrels of Venezuela’s heavy Merey crude oil, loaded at the port of Jose between December 4 and 5, 2025. This violated U.S. sanctions aimed at crippling Maduro’s regime by restricting its primary revenue source—oil exports, which averaged over 900,000 barrels per day in November 2025.
Aside from raw aggression or piracy, why is this subject to seizure?
Posted on 12/11/25 at 7:49 pm to TBoy
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why is this subject to seizure?
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This violated U.S. sanctions aimed at crippling Maduro’s regime by restricting its primary revenue source—oil exports
Posted on 12/11/25 at 7:51 pm to TBoy
Tboy u serious? Lol
Posted on 12/11/25 at 7:51 pm to CapnKangaroo
“Sanctions aimed at crippling” doesn’t suggest wrongdoing justifying seizure. It is just aggression.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 7:52 pm to TBoy
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Sanctions aimed at crippling” doesn’t suggest wrongdoing justifying seizure. It is just aggression.
So the sanctions aren’t really meant to be sanctions? I’m not sure what you’re trying to say?
Posted on 12/11/25 at 7:53 pm to CapnKangaroo
So we have declared that we can impound all of their tankers? That’s nothing but an act of war.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 7:54 pm to bignuss18
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Why does the other posters comment about oil rigs being financed by private American and seized by the Venezuelan govt not illicit the same response from you?
The Skipper isnt owned by Venezuela. Its owned by an outfit in the Marshall Islands.
Venezuela defaulted on debt, Citgo US assets are now in court and pretty much owned by Americans.
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After the default, Amber Energy has acquired the shares of PDV Holding, which is the parent company of Citgo Petroleum in Venezuela. A U.S. judge approved this acquisition as part of a court-organized auction to settle claims related to Venezuela's debt defaults and expropriations. The deal includes a commitment to pay $2.1 billion to holders of a defaulted Venezuelan bond, which is expected to facilitate the ownership transfer of Citgo's assets.
This post was edited on 12/11/25 at 7:56 pm
Posted on 12/11/25 at 7:57 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Venezuela defaulted on debt, their oil assets are now in court and pretty much owned by Americans.
A seizure as part of execution to satisfy a specific default may be a legitimate seizure. It isn’t clear that this is actually what is happening. Arresting vessels just to “cripple” the government of another country is a war act.
The issue is whether the US is engaging in aggressive war or whether this is a lawful act. It makes a difference.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 7:58 pm to TBoy
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A seizure as part of execution to satisfy a specific default may be a legitimate seizure. It isn’t clear that this is actually what is happening. Arresting vessels just to “cripple” the government of another country is a war act.
This whole thing is ridiculous. Its all virtue signaling.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 7:58 pm to TBoy
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So we have declared that we can impound all of their tankers?
I dunno. What do the sanctions say?
Posted on 12/11/25 at 8:01 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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This whole thing is ridiculous. It’s all virtue signaling.
Sorry bud. The issue of whether acts are legal or not has nothing to do with virtue signaling. You be you, but it is a substantive issue, not window dressing.
This post was edited on 12/11/25 at 8:03 pm
Posted on 12/11/25 at 8:02 pm to TBoy
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So we have declared that we can impound all of their tankers
I doubt many of them are actually “their” tankers.
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That’s nothing but an act of war.
I don’t know about that. Germany was sinking our merchant ships left and right for a couple of years and we didn’t consider an act of war until the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 8:03 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Your first part of the response is a deflection - ownership is irrelevant if the ship has been sanctioned. No different than me being involved with the mob while not being part of the mob. I’m still part of the crime.
Can’t speak to the second part but does a court decision in the US somehow absolve the Venezuelan govt of previous wrongdoing? And if so, again, why are you not as upset about that as you are the seizure of Venezuelan-connected ships & cargo?
Can’t speak to the second part but does a court decision in the US somehow absolve the Venezuelan govt of previous wrongdoing? And if so, again, why are you not as upset about that as you are the seizure of Venezuelan-connected ships & cargo?
Posted on 12/11/25 at 8:03 pm to TBoy
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Sorry bud. The issue of whether acts are legal or not has nothing to do with virtue signaling. You be you, but it is a substantive issue, but window dressing.
The virtue signaling has nothing to do with legalities, bud.
We're down there to excite the masses. It will backfire spectacularly, bud.
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