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Modly SHOULD get the full time job as Navy Secretary
Posted on 4/6/20 at 10:08 pm
Posted on 4/6/20 at 10:08 pm
Because of this. But because of this, he won’t, due to politics. You simply don’t allow leaks like this to take place in the military. That’s when it becomes a serious national security issue that jeopardizes the entire ship. There is a chain of command in the military; you don’t go around that to make a point or make yourself the center of attention.
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Posted on 4/6/20 at 10:39 pm to DyeHardDylan
Who leaked the letter? Even Trump has been unable to control the leakers. If Modly leaked, then he can not have job permanently because he will need to be removed. If someone else liked, then they need to be removed.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 11:17 pm to djmicrobe
Doubt it was Modly, the acting SecNav. If you mean the carrier commander that Modly removed, his name is Capt. Brett Crozier, a career Naval Officer with much command experience who had risen to one of the most trusted and respected positions in the U.S. Navy as Captain of a Carrier with over 5000 crew members. Apparently Crozier sent the letter to superior officers, but inadvertently copied the letter to other recipients, and a copy of it eventually reached the media.
Crozier was concerned that he had several crew on his ship who were sick with COVID-19. He was seeking assistance from his superiors - he had a small number of sailors infected with the virus, but testing was irrelevant and quarantine methods were useless with the entire crew embarked on a warship that does not allow for social distancing or isolation.
So Capt. Crozier watched as the virus ripped through his crew. Around 150+ became ill with COVID-19, including the Captain himself.
One thing that confuses me, is that Crozier's superior was on the TR with him at the time he sent out the letter. There hasn't been any reports in the media about that man's thoughts on the issue, or how he and Crozier interacted over the ordeal.
This is what his crew thought of him, as he left the carrier:
LINK
Crozier was concerned that he had several crew on his ship who were sick with COVID-19. He was seeking assistance from his superiors - he had a small number of sailors infected with the virus, but testing was irrelevant and quarantine methods were useless with the entire crew embarked on a warship that does not allow for social distancing or isolation.
So Capt. Crozier watched as the virus ripped through his crew. Around 150+ became ill with COVID-19, including the Captain himself.
One thing that confuses me, is that Crozier's superior was on the TR with him at the time he sent out the letter. There hasn't been any reports in the media about that man's thoughts on the issue, or how he and Crozier interacted over the ordeal.
This is what his crew thought of him, as he left the carrier:
LINK
Posted on 4/6/20 at 11:50 pm to ConwayGamecock
Capt. Crozier decided to take his concerns outside his assigned chain of command. Rather than work with his superior or even take the risk to buck that person is completely irresponsible and risked the security of the ship and it's crew.
That's what we needed, the media to get hold and spout to the world due to their own biases that one of our aircraft carriers are compromised. Why? Because frick our servicemembers it's a chance to dunk on this administration. This is a national security issue that should have been dealt with internally. But no, Cpt Crozier decided to act irresponsibly and unbecoming of his command.
Again, there is a good fricking reason why we're preached to about OPSEC. I've sat in command and staff briefings. Health and welfare of troops are classified for a fricking reason. So our enemies don't know when we're weak.
So that's what we want to support now? Don't like how things are going? frick it, let's leak it to the press. Ol Sarge giving you a tough time? Leak it to the press! Don't want to go on a patrol? Leak it! Don't want to do a sea tour? LEAK!
The undisciplined actions he has taken and the undisciplined cheering for him speaks volumes. You're a leader, not a dad. Actions can get your subordinates killed. That's all we needed was one of our aircraft carriers attacked now that our enemies know it had been compromised. Capt Crozier decided not to use the proper channels and paid the price. I feel no sympathy for him.
Edit: Why I feel strongly about this is because I'm sick and fricking tired of officers who are more concerned of their own careers over the men and women who serve under them. I saw this when I was a naive soldier and NCO. I was in when assclowns like Wesley Clark wanted to start a fricking world war over a shitty airport. He knew the proper way to do this. Again, Crozier wanted to be a prima donna and send out a blast email. frick him.
Edit 2: I'm not saying all officers are like this, they're few and far between. Many officers I've served under would also find this reprehensible. They cared about their troops, not being an activist.
That's what we needed, the media to get hold and spout to the world due to their own biases that one of our aircraft carriers are compromised. Why? Because frick our servicemembers it's a chance to dunk on this administration. This is a national security issue that should have been dealt with internally. But no, Cpt Crozier decided to act irresponsibly and unbecoming of his command.
Again, there is a good fricking reason why we're preached to about OPSEC. I've sat in command and staff briefings. Health and welfare of troops are classified for a fricking reason. So our enemies don't know when we're weak.
So that's what we want to support now? Don't like how things are going? frick it, let's leak it to the press. Ol Sarge giving you a tough time? Leak it to the press! Don't want to go on a patrol? Leak it! Don't want to do a sea tour? LEAK!
The undisciplined actions he has taken and the undisciplined cheering for him speaks volumes. You're a leader, not a dad. Actions can get your subordinates killed. That's all we needed was one of our aircraft carriers attacked now that our enemies know it had been compromised. Capt Crozier decided not to use the proper channels and paid the price. I feel no sympathy for him.
Edit: Why I feel strongly about this is because I'm sick and fricking tired of officers who are more concerned of their own careers over the men and women who serve under them. I saw this when I was a naive soldier and NCO. I was in when assclowns like Wesley Clark wanted to start a fricking world war over a shitty airport. He knew the proper way to do this. Again, Crozier wanted to be a prima donna and send out a blast email. frick him.
Edit 2: I'm not saying all officers are like this, they're few and far between. Many officers I've served under would also find this reprehensible. They cared about their troops, not being an activist.
This post was edited on 4/7/20 at 12:04 am
Posted on 4/6/20 at 11:53 pm to DyeHardDylan
I actually really like modly. Since he took over as acting he sends a weekly letter to the navy and marine corps about current and future plans. Never had a secnav do that before. It shows transparency.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 12:01 am to djmicrobe
quote:
Who leaked the letter?
The Captain sent the letter or email over unsecured channels to people outside of his chain of command. Whichever of them handed it over to the media is immaterial. The leak started with the Captain. He is responsible and must be held accountable.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 12:02 am to Darth_Vader
quote:
he leak started with the Captain. He is responsible and must be held accountable.
From one vet to another...
Posted on 4/7/20 at 3:16 am to Pechon
quote:...and from another vet also.
From one vet to another...
Loose emails sinks ships.
No confidence.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 3:19 am to Darth_Vader
I admire the Navy’s willingness to fire officers.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 4:40 am to Darth_Vader
quote:Which is why I do not discuss sensitive matters like this is an email. I am empathetic to the captain. He was balancing risk to force with risk to mission. But he displayed tremendous lack of judgement in how he addressed the issue in a nonsecure form of communication.
The Captain sent the letter or email
Posted on 4/7/20 at 4:53 am to Wolfhound45
quote:
Which is why I do not discuss sensitive matters like this is an email. I am empathetic to the captain. He was balancing risk to force with risk to mission. But he displayed tremendous lack of judgement in how he addressed the issue in a nonsecure form of communication.
It is really that simple. That this has become a story is more of interest to me than the story itself.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 4:56 am to Wolfhound45
Only thing that got big navy’s attention was the emails that got leaked. The captain tried the chain of command and when that didn’t work, he went outside of it. Didn’t have time to waste. He basically fell on the sword for his crew.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 4:58 am to monsterballads
Disagree. He created a tremendous risk to his crew by revealing their lack of readiness on the high seas.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 5:54 am to DyeHardDylan
This is a tough one to get at truly. One the hand there was a serious health concern and everyone in uniform has the right to call “knock it off” if they feel there are unsafe conditions. You also have whistle blower privileges, and a right not to suffer reprisals. None of these seem to have been afforded the Captain.
On the other hand, if it is true he never brought up his grave concerns while on a conference call with his superiors then it is hard to understand his recourse.
On the other hand, if it is true he never brought up his grave concerns while on a conference call with his superiors then it is hard to understand his recourse.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 1:19 pm to Wolfhound45
Yeah he made some mistakes but you think he would risk his entire career for shits and giggles? He clearly made the decisions he made because he thought there would be a lot of deaths resulting from this virus on his ship. He didn’t think big navy was getting the message. So he went beyond his chain of command. Mission over people is one thing and opsec etc, but when the choice is have a ton of dead people on the ship you command or speed up the military’s reaction by going outside of the chain, well, it didn’t seem like it was a tough call for him to make.
He literally sacrificed his career over this.
He literally sacrificed his career over this.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 1:22 pm to monsterballads
What is the current morbidity rate of the disease?
That will answer your question.
There were plenty of ways to handle the issue. He chose poorly.
That will answer your question.
There were plenty of ways to handle the issue. He chose poorly.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 1:22 pm to Pechon
quote:
Actions can get your subordinates killed.
The captain chose the well being of his crew over the mission and paid the price. He obviously thought it was worth it.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 1:23 pm to DyeHardDylan
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This post was edited on 2/2/21 at 4:56 am
Posted on 4/7/20 at 1:28 pm to Wolfhound45
Ok boomer
Posted on 4/7/20 at 1:29 pm to Wolfhound45
And all I got was a downvote...
Nice.
Nice.
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