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re: Millennials just scored a housing victory over boomers in the California legislature

Posted on 8/29/21 at 2:32 pm to
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 8/29/21 at 2:32 pm to
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They did this in Portland already. Lots of white folk selling and moving to Idaho and Bend


This will probably backfire. There may be more housing, but fewer intact families. And this will have a negative effect on society.

One of the most acute problems of modern life is how disconnected and lonely people are. They live in isolation.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
47564 posts
Posted on 8/29/21 at 2:43 pm to
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There may be more housing, but fewer intact families. And this will have a negative effect on society.
well yeah, lots of single mothers don’t need a man like they used to
Posted by Lightning
Texas
Member since May 2014
2300 posts
Posted on 8/29/21 at 3:20 pm to
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Every conservative hates government regulations until it comes to zoning issues.


This is true, but it doesn’t happen in a vacuum. If you remove Section 8 and affordable housing mandates, many (but not all) people would feel differently about loosening up their zoning restrictions.

People are going to use whatever tools they have available to maintain the value of their largest investment, their home. An apartment complex next door where everyone is paying market rent may not negatively affect property values. A complex where 20% of the units are required to be rented at below market rates and another 20% are rented with Section 8 vouchers is likely going to bring the property values of neighboring homeowners down.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
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Posted on 8/30/21 at 12:11 pm to
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eople are going to use whatever tools they have available to maintain the value of their largest investment, their home
unfortunately that runs counter to the societal interest in having everyone housed in a home somewhere.
Posted by Hobnailboot
Minneapolis
Member since Sep 2012
6094 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 12:13 pm to
Property rights are the final stage before we are a full blown communist country. You knew it was coming.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260325 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 12:14 pm to
Self defense
Property
Speech

They're coming for all of it.
Posted by Lightning
Texas
Member since May 2014
2300 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:33 pm to
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unfortunately that runs counter to the societal interest in having everyone housed in a home somewhere.


We could absolutely house everyone *somewhere*. There are vacant buildings and/or lots in blighted metro areas that could be redeveloped and there is rural land that could be developed into high density housing.

But the trend since the late '70s has been to decentralize housing for the poor, as a backlash to the slums that grew from 'the projects.' So poverty has been suburbanized, especially over the past 20 years.

I agree that it runs counter to societal interest but the alternative - dispersing subsidized housing among market rate housing - runs counter to personal interest/human nature.
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