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Michigan teacher wants to quit union--but can't
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:19 am
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:19 am
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Apparently one can only quit the union during a small window in August.
It's not that uncommon. Our CBA allows one to join the union at any time, but to get out you have to submit the paperwork "no earlier than 90 days prior to the anniversary date of dues withholding (i.e., the date you joined the union) and no later than 60 days prior to the anniversary date of dues withholding."
The only exceptions are if you take a position not covered by the CBA (i.e., management), cease to be a member in good standing, the union loses exclusive recognition, you're called to active duty, or you leave the agency.
So if you miss it, you have to wait a whole year before you can get out again.
Apparently one can only quit the union during a small window in August.
It's not that uncommon. Our CBA allows one to join the union at any time, but to get out you have to submit the paperwork "no earlier than 90 days prior to the anniversary date of dues withholding (i.e., the date you joined the union) and no later than 60 days prior to the anniversary date of dues withholding."
The only exceptions are if you take a position not covered by the CBA (i.e., management), cease to be a member in good standing, the union loses exclusive recognition, you're called to active duty, or you leave the agency.
So if you miss it, you have to wait a whole year before you can get out again.
This post was edited on 7/29/14 at 9:21 am
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Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:20 am to Quidam65
Unions need to die. They really have no place at all in modern society.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:23 am to FalseProphet
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Unions need to die.
He gets it
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:24 am to FalseProphet
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Unions need to die. They really have no place at all in modern society.
If you've ever dealt with our management, you might rethink this. We had one employee who's boss was so vindictive, she didn't stop at trying to get her fired--she filed criminal assault charges claiming that the employee attacked her with a box of thumbtacks. (Surprisingly, no photo of said box of thumbtacks, either on the floor or embedded in said boss's skin, was ever taken.)
Higher management was, of course, backing the boss, not the employee.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:24 am to FalseProphet
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Unions need to die. They really have no place at all in modern society.
They have an important place in society. The problem is that unions, like most bureaucracies, tend to become institutions for rentier capitalists to collect.
If unions were doing their job, they would provide a great set of tools to the labor force.
This post was edited on 7/29/14 at 9:27 am
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:26 am to The Third Leg
What important place in society do unions have today? Not 50 years ago, today?
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:26 am to Quidam65
This is not really news. With right-to-work, people can resign membership whenever they want now. But, the NLRB has said dues agreements are separate contracts. Not sure of the law in the public sector here, but it usually mimics federal labor law.
This post was edited on 7/29/14 at 9:27 am
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:26 am to Quidam65
You know we are screwed as a country when it is easier to enroll an illegal alien into a public school than it is for someone to quit a union.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:27 am to Quidam65
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If you've ever dealt with our management, you might rethink this. We had one employee who's boss was so vindictive, she didn't stop at trying to get her fired--she filed criminal assault charges claiming that the employee attacked her with a box of thumbtacks. (Surprisingly, no photo of said box of thumbtacks, either on the floor or embedded in said boss's skin, was ever taken.)
Higher management was, of course, backing the boss, not the employee.
So she needed a union to protect her? We have legal recourse for that. frick unions.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:28 am to The Third Leg
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If unions were doing their job, they would provide a great set of tools to the labor force.
I'd honestly like you to expound upon that. What benefit can unions provide in today's world?
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:31 am to Quidam65
quote:In a free market, if this happens then a business would start doing poorly as the best talent left and went elsewhere for poor treatment, and that would eventually lead to those bad managers being fired since the bottom line is ultimately what matters. I guess school systems work differently, which may be part of the problem. If there is no real recourse for bad management, then of course you're going to have problems like this.
If you've ever dealt with our management, you might rethink this. We had one employee who's boss was so vindictive, she didn't stop at trying to get her fired--she filed criminal assault charges claiming that the employee attacked her with a box of thumbtacks. (Surprisingly, no photo of said box of thumbtacks, either on the floor or embedded in said boss's skin, was ever taken.)
Higher management was, of course, backing the boss, not the employee.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:32 am to The Third Leg
quote:fify
They had an important place in society.
Played a vital role for safer working conditions and wages. Since the working conditions have improved the only thing they negotiate is wage/benefits, which have gotten way out of line. Now automation and cheap foreign labor have basically killed US manufacturing jobs.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:35 am to FooManChoo
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I guess school systems work differently, which may be part of the problem. If there is no real recourse for bad management, then of course you're going to have problems like this.
You know why there is no real recourse for bad management? The managers are also part of the union.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:36 am to dante
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Now automation and cheap foreign labor have basically killed US manufacturing jobs.
And rightly so. Unions have caused their own problems, but they have the NLRB to bail them out.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:36 am to FalseProphet
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So she needed a union to protect her? We have legal recourse for that.
She had to pay for her own attorney to defend her in the criminal case. And she was lucky--the first case ended up in a hung jury, but the prosecutor elected not to retry the case and dismiss all charges.
And even then, the agency tried to reassign her to an office under the same senior manager who was backing the lying first-level manager and trying to get her fired.
Oh and if you think it's bad as to how management deals with CBA members, I could tell you a good story about how they're trying to railroad a hated manager out of the agency (but I've agreed to keep his story in confidence--most of the stuff would be good O-T Lounge material, though).
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:36 am to fleaux
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What important place in society do unions have today? Not 50 years ago, today?
The organization of labor.
Obviously they're not essential for all sections of the labor force, but it is disingenuous to consider their intended function obsolete for all.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:39 am to Quidam65
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She had to pay for her own attorney to defend her in the criminal case. And she was lucky--the first case ended up in a hung jury, but the prosecutor elected not to retry the case and dismiss all charges.
Sounds like it was a close enough case for the jury to buy the managers story.
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And even then, the agency tried to reassign her to an office under the same senior manager who was backing the lying first-level manager and trying to get her fired.
Again, what did the union do here other than bitch?
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Oh and if you think it's bad as to how management deals with CBA members, I could tell you a good story about how they're trying to railroad a hated manager out of the agency (but I've agreed to keep his story in confidence--most of the stuff would be good O-T Lounge material, though).
Again, what is the union doing other than bitching and making headaches for all?
If I have shitty bosses who want to fire me, I get the hint. I don't believe in that whole, I have a job now so its mine for life bullshite.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:39 am to The Third Leg
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The organization of labor.
No shite. That's what a union is. Organized labor.
Why do we need organized labor in today's world?
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:39 am to FooManChoo
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If there is no real recourse for bad management, then of course you're going to have problems like this.
Oh there isn't.
I know one supervisor who was auditing a defense contractor--at the same time he was trying to get them to hire him.
All management did was take him out of that office, move him to a makework job at Region, and they've since promoted him.
In FedGov it's nearly impossible to fire an incompetent CBA member. It is impossible to fire an incompetent (and corrupt) manager when the higher-ups are protecting him.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:41 am to Quidam65
It was likely part of a contract that was signed by consenting adults with college degrees.
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