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re: Michigan governor says demonstrators were carrying CSA and Nazi signs

Posted on 4/17/20 at 2:14 pm to
Posted by Apollyon
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 4/17/20 at 2:14 pm to
You are here to do what I just posted.

Distance yourself from it. Or attempt to.

It won't work
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
94832 posts
Posted on 4/17/20 at 2:17 pm to
Does she think the Gadsden Flag is a Confederate symbol?

Yankees are (no offense), dumb.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39298 posts
Posted on 4/17/20 at 2:17 pm to
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They had as much in common


Like what specifically? Give me some specific examples.

quote:

Facts hurt sometimes.



Repeating "both are socialists" doesn't amount to what I would call a fact.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39298 posts
Posted on 4/17/20 at 2:18 pm to
quote:

You are here to do what I just posted.

Distance yourself from it. Or attempt to.


What the frick are you talking about? Do you think I'm a leftist? Amazing.
Posted by Apollyon
Member since Dec 2019
2124 posts
Posted on 4/17/20 at 2:18 pm to
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Repeating "both are socialists" doesn't amount to what I would call a fact.



You think it not a fact that the national socialist german workers party was socialist.

Okay. Read more.
Posted by Apollyon
Member since Dec 2019
2124 posts
Posted on 4/17/20 at 2:19 pm to
quote:

? Do you think I'm a leftist?


Yes.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39298 posts
Posted on 4/17/20 at 2:20 pm to
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You think it not a fact that the national socialist german workers party was socialist.



Did you ignore my post on purpose?

quote:

Okay. Read more.



Do you want a bibliography of what I've read about the German economy during the era? I can provide one.

Nothing I said is without a source.
Posted by Apollyon
Member since Dec 2019
2124 posts
Posted on 4/17/20 at 2:20 pm to
Leftists like yourself do not wish to be associated with nazism, another socialist ideology. I have had this argument with dozens of your type.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39298 posts
Posted on 4/17/20 at 2:20 pm to
That's a weird thing to read into my post, but you do you.
Posted by Apollyon
Member since Dec 2019
2124 posts
Posted on 4/17/20 at 2:21 pm to
quote:

you want a bibliography of what I've read about the German economy during the era? I can provide one.



Good. Start with "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich"
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39298 posts
Posted on 4/17/20 at 2:21 pm to
Posted by Apollyon
Member since Dec 2019
2124 posts
Posted on 4/17/20 at 2:22 pm to
You're working overtime to claim the national socialist german workers party was not socialist.
Posted by Apollyon
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 4/17/20 at 2:23 pm to
I guess they "just didn't do socialism right", huh?

Your type loves that line
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Member since Dec 2006
94832 posts
Posted on 4/17/20 at 2:24 pm to
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The economic program was certainly not socialist


Well, it was - universal health care, compulsory national service (for public works projects, etc.) and while corporatist, not collectivist, they did do lots of centralized economic planning to ensure that the needs of the state were paramount.

The fact they equated the health of their society with the health of their single political party is largely indistinguishable from Soviet-style, Stalinist philosophy. The chief differences, as I indicated earlier, were centered around nationalism (Germany first) vs globalism/internationalism (An international Communist revolution) and the whole concept of corporatism (hiring companies) vs collectivism (eliminating private ownership and taking direct state ownership of property, factories and businesses).

In neither system - National Socialism (or Facism, which was essentially the same thing in Italy or Spain) nor Marxist/Leninist/Trotskyite "Communism" was the individual supreme. It was either the party and nation embodied by its leader , or a less tangible notion of "Communism" and party embodied by its leader. Only subtle vagaries in language, tone and target distinguish the two - the methods and motives were largely identical.

This is anathema to us in the United States where, at least the theory and principle remains, the individual reigns supreme.
This post was edited on 4/17/20 at 2:27 pm
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39298 posts
Posted on 4/17/20 at 2:27 pm to
quote:

Good. Start with "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich"



I've read that. I've also read:

Adam Tooze's The Wages of Destruction.
Barkai's Nazi Economics: Ideology, Theory and Policy
Neumann's Behemoth
Stern's The Politics of Cultural Despair
Remy's The Heidelberg Myth
Wiesen's Creating the Nazi Marketplace

Herf's Reactionary Modernism has a good background. That you took from my post some weird apologia is only on you.
Posted by Apollyon
Member since Dec 2019
2124 posts
Posted on 4/17/20 at 2:27 pm to
I already pointed out to him that NSDAP was state corporatist socialism, but apparently that doesn't count in his mind because "something something nationalism military junta something something"
Posted by Apollyon
Member since Dec 2019
2124 posts
Posted on 4/17/20 at 2:29 pm to
Then you would know that by definition and by their own claim, they are, in fact, socialist.

Thanks.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
94832 posts
Posted on 4/17/20 at 2:31 pm to
quote:

nationalism military junta


But the nationalism vs internationalism (and, corporatism vs collectivism, for that matter), is just the sales pitch tailored to an audience.

I mean, the U.S. "piloted" a version of this in the 1930s and 1940s - first with the ill-headed "New Dea" and then, unfortunately by necessity, World War II. We didn't like it. We went back to making money in the 1950s.

The best analogy is auto racing. Nazi Germany was running the same race as the Soviet Union. Just using a different chassis and engine combination. Maybe different choices of ground effects or tires.

But the same race - that race is Progressive Socialism.
Posted by Geauxboy
NW Arkansas
Member since Oct 2006
4856 posts
Posted on 4/17/20 at 2:33 pm to
quote:

I just don’t think it’s the way its intended to be


Agree completely. What man wants to be led by a woman? It flies in the face of how we were created.
Posted by Apollyon
Member since Dec 2019
2124 posts
Posted on 4/17/20 at 2:33 pm to
Bruh, you're responding to the wrong one.

Crazy4lsu thinks nazism a nationalist military junta (read back his posts).

I was insulting his inaccuracy
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