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re: Medicine Isn't A Science. Practice of the diagnosis, treatment, and prevention of disease
Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:13 pm to basionok
Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:13 pm to basionok
Modern medicine is “sick care”. The author below refers to most conventional medicine as being palliative (meaning meant to provide relief, but not cure)
Background reading to understand where we are as a species
Agriculture and industrial revolution led to many improvements/achievements, but some trade off were made:
Famine has been replaced by obesity (and chronic illness that follows)
Antibiotics did indeed revolutionize the management of infectious disease (but effect is waning due in large part to injudicious use). Most people fail to understand that the impact that modern living plays in infectious diseases. Agriculture led to humans living in one place in close proximity to other humans and domesticated animals. Increased exposure to pathogens became the norm (as did plagues even to this day as we are even more interconnected globally). Hunter gatherers living in small bands geographically isolated would have been less impacted.
Most people in Western countries are living with /dying from diseases of chronic illnesses. The author makes a case that many of these are driven by evolutionary mismatch (cultural evolution has outpaced biological evolution).
We are designed for cyclical exposures to:
Famine and food abundance (feast/famine cycles) - sabotaged by abundant, low quality food. Guidelines to eat frequently (support the economy…)
Daily strenuous exercise - sabotaged by technology making our lives “easier”
Sleep regulated by rising and falling of the sun - sabotaged by artificial lighting, shift work, screens
Rare, but severe stressors in the environment - chronic stressors from news, social media, driving, dealing with others trapped unaware in the construct (in failing health)
Culture has made all of these changes acceptable…
A reductionist approach to deliver sick care services will not address what I listed above. What you get is an expensive system that bails people out, but does not make them healthy (which is where we are)
In some ways, we are victims of our own success (some are more aware than others)
PS: lots of conjecture as to how/why humans decided to farm. I and others have speculated that humanity was nudged in that direction by others…
Background reading to understand where we are as a species
Agriculture and industrial revolution led to many improvements/achievements, but some trade off were made:
Famine has been replaced by obesity (and chronic illness that follows)
Antibiotics did indeed revolutionize the management of infectious disease (but effect is waning due in large part to injudicious use). Most people fail to understand that the impact that modern living plays in infectious diseases. Agriculture led to humans living in one place in close proximity to other humans and domesticated animals. Increased exposure to pathogens became the norm (as did plagues even to this day as we are even more interconnected globally). Hunter gatherers living in small bands geographically isolated would have been less impacted.
Most people in Western countries are living with /dying from diseases of chronic illnesses. The author makes a case that many of these are driven by evolutionary mismatch (cultural evolution has outpaced biological evolution).
We are designed for cyclical exposures to:
Famine and food abundance (feast/famine cycles) - sabotaged by abundant, low quality food. Guidelines to eat frequently (support the economy…)
Daily strenuous exercise - sabotaged by technology making our lives “easier”
Sleep regulated by rising and falling of the sun - sabotaged by artificial lighting, shift work, screens
Rare, but severe stressors in the environment - chronic stressors from news, social media, driving, dealing with others trapped unaware in the construct (in failing health)
Culture has made all of these changes acceptable…
A reductionist approach to deliver sick care services will not address what I listed above. What you get is an expensive system that bails people out, but does not make them healthy (which is where we are)
In some ways, we are victims of our own success (some are more aware than others)
PS: lots of conjecture as to how/why humans decided to farm. I and others have speculated that humanity was nudged in that direction by others…
This post was edited on 7/26/22 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:19 pm to Gaggle
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It most certainly does not prove human to human air/saliva contagion
I’m saying that’s not the definition of germ theory…
But this whole conversation is a waste of everyone’s time. This is a flat earth equivalent discussion.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:20 pm to Flats
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It's all ball bearings these days.
Maybe you need a refresher course?
Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:23 pm to Norbert
Teach from childhood
Don't prove anything
Belittle on command like Pavlovian dogs
That's how I know I'm right. You would be able to prove it. Thank you.
Don't prove anything
Belittle on command like Pavlovian dogs
That's how I know I'm right. You would be able to prove it. Thank you.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:29 pm to Gaggle
Sure thing chief, smallpox and polio were eradicated through clean water? The why is polio making a comeback if clean water and sanitation were the mitigating factors? It couldn’t have anything to do with the fact that it’s because it’s not a widespread vaccine anymore. Smallpox is absolutely a product of poor sanitation but smallpox vaccines are still given in many poor areas because sanitation hasn’t improved yet smallpox outbreaks are extremely rare. I get it you watched a Facebook video that claimed cancer can be cured by eating a certain vegetable or fruit and it’s all a conspiracy
Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:30 pm to Gaggle
Medicine has done wonders for civilization; but, it’s been a bad week, with Birx coming out about all the lies our head medical officials put out about Covid, and the vaccines, which were worthless, now that vaccine deaths equal the control group of the unvaccinated, which means the vaccines were equal to placebo. That SSRI’s were worthless in depression, and Alzheimer’s medicines were also as worthless in cognitive improvement. Just not the best week, maybe one of the worst, ever..
Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:31 pm to Gaggle
Post the Rosenau experiments again you fricking moron
Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:32 pm to Rip Torn
quote:Yes. Have you studied this?
Sure thing chief, smallpox and polio were eradicated through clean water?
quote:It's coming back from vaccines and poor water and sanitation
The why is polio making a comeback if clean water and sanitation were the mitigating factors?
quote:literally the recent case you heard about was caused by the vaccine
It couldn’t have anything to do with the fact that it’s because it’s not a widespread vaccine anymore
quote:they are also given bread and smallpox is rare. So maybe it's the bread
Smallpox is absolutely a product of poor sanitation but smallpox vaccines are still given in many poor areas because sanitation hasn’t improved yet smallpox outbreaks are extremely rare
quote:Incorrect. I'm a licensed medical professional who resigned 2 years ago after many heated discussions with coward doctors I previously respected. This is another problem. You are more concerned with people who have ideas than with the ideas.
I get it you watched a Facebook video that claimed cancer can be cured by eating a certain vegetable or fruit and it’s all a conspiracy
Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:33 pm to Gaggle
I agree. So you should put your theory to test and go drink a big cup full of raw sewage, uncooked chicken juice, or lick the anus of anything alive and see what happens. It could be a fun science experiment for the whole family!!
Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:36 pm to basionok
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Last week, University College London released a massive study showing that the antidepressants that the majority of adult Americans are guzzling like candy do not treat a chemical imbalance in the brain because depression isn't caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain.
This is decidedly not what the study says. What a dishonest article.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:37 pm to Gaggle
quote:
Yes. Have you studied this?
Smallpox wasn't.
quote:
Incorrect. I'm a licensed medical professional who resigned 2 years ago after many heated discussions with coward doctors I previously respected. This is another problem. You are more concerned with people who have ideas than with the ideas.
Lol. My fricking god.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:37 pm to Rip Torn
quote:those would all contain diseased tissue and make me sick
agree. So you should put your theory to test and go drink a big cup full of raw sewage, uncooked chicken juice, or lick the anus of anything alive and see what happens.
However I can lick the counter with no diseased tissue but lots of raw bacteria and not get sick. Isn't that interesting?
Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:39 pm to Gaggle
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Incorrect. I'm a licensed medical professional who resigned 2 years ago after many heated discussions with coward doctors I previously respected. This is another problem. You are more concerned with people who have ideas than with the ideas.
quote:
Braves Fan
I wonder if this is BamaAtl coming back as a different character.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:39 pm to Gaggle
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those would all contain diseased tissue and make me sick
Lol. God damn this has to be a troll.
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However I can lick the counter with no diseased tissue but lots of raw bacteria and not get sick. Isn't that interesting?
Holy shite. You are definitely retarded. This is amazing. Please keep posting. I'm sending screenshots to the groupchat.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:40 pm to Bestbank Tiger
Everyone keep piling on and not posting proof. This will definitely show them how right you are. You're not arrogant, protectionist, experiencing cognitive dissonance, no sirree
Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:40 pm to Gaggle
Of course vaccines can make you sick, especially ones for highly contagious, dangerous, or communicable diseases like Hepatitis or Smallpox. You aren’t the only one with medical training. If you were in the medical field you would know these things because that’s part of the risk you take when being required to take certain vaccines that the average public doesn’t get on a regular basis. I don’t even think you know what argument you are trying to make at this point
Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:42 pm to Gaggle
Not really, a lot bacteria is harmless and some is even beneficial. That is a ridiculous comparison
Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:42 pm to Rip Torn
quote:post proof of any disease being highly contagious through air or saliva in a direct experiment
especially ones for highly contagious
This post was edited on 7/26/22 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:43 pm to Gaggle
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post proof of any disease being highly contagious through air or saliva in a direct experiment
Post Rosenau again.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 1:46 pm to Gaggle
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However I can lick the counter with no diseased tissue but lots of raw bacteria and not get sick. Isn't that interesting?
Wut, ok, this is a troll. Your mouth is more likely to infect the counter, and bacteria entering the mouth go to the Stomach with a ph of 2( HCL), we have such great defenses, the skin has billions of opportunistic organisms as well as the inside of the colon, that our immune system keeps in check at all times, 10 to the 12th power in left colon. Poke a hole in the colon and you will understand germ theory, I promise…..
This post was edited on 7/26/22 at 1:47 pm
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