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re: Man dead after refusing to show police ID
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:05 pm to CherryGarciaMan
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:05 pm to CherryGarciaMan
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This is one of the more pathetic threads in the history of the poli board thanks to Sammy and ala
These desktop jockies are playing judge jury and executioner, and then holding it as indicative of the entire profession.
Pathetic.
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Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Wow. Not what I expected at all.
A whopping 99 percent of all complaints regarding police brutality are left uninvestigated in central New Jersey, according to a Courier News and Home News Tribune report published this week.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:06 pm to Scruffy
Need actual numbers.. since you're into factual stuff. 
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:06 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Again, I don't disagree with you on that.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:07 pm to Scruffy
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Beat them by ~200 as well.
Does that number include "good shooting" where the suspect was a direct danger to the life of the police officer, and "death by cop: suicides.
I wager it does.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:09 pm to Alahunter
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Again, I don't disagree with you on that.
But it hasn't occurred that possibly the way police are trained is making them violent?
Maybe people don't all hate cops, but hate the way they are used and trained, and what the system creates.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:09 pm to Scruffy
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No, but citizen review boards probably wouldn't be a bad idea.
who would investigate to get the facts.
What educational standard would this citizen review board be held too?
because if this board is of any indication of what a :civilian review board" would be like, i don't think a cop could get a fair trial ever.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:10 pm to SammyTiger
quote:And y'all are acting like this isn't becoming a more common occurrence. Things like this story happen almost weekly now.
These desktop jockies are playing judge jury and executioner, and then holding it as indicative of the entire profession.
Pathetic.
Increasing numbers of people killed by police yearly.
Increasing militarization of police forces throughout the country.
The highest number of people in prison in the world.
You don't find a problem with any of this? You don't think there is something fundamentally wrong with this?
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:11 pm to Alahunter
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Being civilized has it's perks.
So does supposedly living in a free country
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:13 pm to Scruffy
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And y'all are acting like this isn't becoming a more common occurrence. Things like this story happen almost weekly now.
It is probably just as common we just all have video cameras in our pockets now.
the level of care of police today is probably significant'y better than most other times in US history.
No one films cops doing good things though.
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Increasing numbers of people killed by police yearly.
still a useless statistic. Includes cases where police were validated in using lethal force.
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The highest number of people in prison in the world.
Police neither make nor prosecute the laws.
Do i like all this no. But at the same time i want all the facts.
Not the video of the after math. Not a statistical number that doesn't differential between self defense, suicide by cop, accidental deaths and murder.
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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But it hasn't occurred that possibly the way police are trained is making them violent?
I would counter, that the stresses and violence they deal with on a daily basis, causes it, most times. Cops are trained to take control of situations, to reduce the chances of injury to others and to themselves. Being passive in any situation can be a show of weakness, and can put others in danger. As well, when they arrive on a scene, the only information they have, is that given to them by a dispatcher, who takes the information, usually from a very hyped, or scared individual. It's important to take control of a scene and then attempt to diffuse a situation as quickly as possible. One officer struggling with a combative individual, can only lead to bad things. There are plenty of training videos, showing cops having their weapons taken away in struggles and used against them.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:16 pm to Alahunter
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:16 pm to Scruffy
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And y'all are acting like this isn't becoming a more common occurrence. Things like this story happen almost weekly now.
Information is more freely dispersed than it used to be, no?
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Increasing numbers of people killed by police yearly
I'd like to see where you are getting your numbers on the increase. As well as the numbers of calls and officers, in relation to these increases.
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Increasing militarization of police forces throughout the country.
I'm with you on this.
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The highest number of people in prison in the world.
We kinda have a big population, in relation to other countries.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:18 pm to Scruffy
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Take your pick of these links.
I'd prefer to see the stats you are using. You know.. the comparison to deaths by police shootings, compared to Afghanistan troop deaths, to Chicago shooting deaths.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:19 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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But it hasn't occurred that possibly the way police are trained is making them violent?
I do not disagree with this. Police academies over the past twenty years have become military-style boot camps. I'm sure this doesn't help.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:21 pm to Alahunter
quote:Chicago
I'd prefer to see the stats you are using. You know.. the comparison to deaths by police shootings, compared to Afghanistan troop deaths, to Chicago shooting deaths.
Afghanistan
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:23 pm to Alahunter
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There are plenty of training videos, showing cops having their weapons taken away in struggles and used against them.
But that does not give a cop the right to kill a citizen during every encounter. If the citizen goes for the cops' gun, then kill him. But if the citizen just hurts the cops' feelings, then the cops need to find a way to deal with it or be convicted of manslaughter.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:24 pm to Scruffy
2011 Deaths
Chicago 412
Afghanistan 418
Using the same source, Wiki....
by police ... 400
Not quite a 200 discrepancy like you repeated.
Chicago 412
Afghanistan 418
Using the same source, Wiki....
by police ... 400
Not quite a 200 discrepancy like you repeated.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:25 pm to tdg
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But that does not give a cop the right to kill a citizen during every encounter. If the citizen goes for the cops' gun, then kill him. But if the citizen just hurts the cops' feelings, then the cops need to find a way to deal with it or be convicted of manslaughter.
what about if the victim decides to fight with the cops, they use a non-lethal weapon, such as pepper spray, and the victim has an allergic reaction to it and dies?
No so black and white is it?
Posted on 2/26/14 at 2:26 pm to tdg
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But that does not give a cop the right to kill a citizen during every encounter
Pretty sure they don't kill, every time they have an encounter.
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But if the citizen just hurts the cops' feelings, then the cops need to find a way to deal with it or be convicted of manslaughter
This is a pretty general statement and doesn't apply to the OP, as the individual was reported to be combative.
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