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re: Man dead after refusing to show police ID
Posted on 3/3/14 at 5:25 pm to TX Tiger
Posted on 3/3/14 at 5:25 pm to TX Tiger
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Innocent until proven guilty. ABSOLUTELY.
That's only technically innocent until proven guilty IN A COURT OF LAW but if I see someone commit a crime or I reasonably suspect someone has committed a crime then I can think they are guilty until the evidence presented in a court of law proves they are not.
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 5:26 pm to TX Tiger
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Innocent until proven guilty. ABSOLUTELY.
Get out of here with that. You must prove to any and every police officer that you are not a murderer.
Posted on 3/3/14 at 5:31 pm to DawgfaninCa
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That's only technically innocent until proven guilty IN A COURT OF LAW but if I see someone commit a crime or I reasonably suspect someone has committed a crime then I can think they are guilty until the evidence presented in a court of law proves they are not.
Nope, nope....aaaaaaand nope.
You are definatly ignorant and pompous enough to be a cop. Ill bet your skin itches when your victims dont give you a good reason to use force. You probably have the baiting language, and a-hole demeanor down to a science. Citizens must find it impossible to avoid your trap.
STOP RESISTING STOP RESISTING (TASER/MACE/GUN)
All in a days work!
This post was edited on 3/3/14 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 3/3/14 at 5:36 pm to MrCarton
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How goes the battle? Looks like you are getting manhandled and crushed to death in here!
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BTW, I already explained that you are NOT REQUIRED TO SHOW AN ID, only to ID yourself when asked by police. Unless you are in a car.
And I posted the Supreme Court ruling that said the police in every state have the legal authority to detain someone who they reasonably suspect has committed a crime until their identity can be determined.
So if you don't want to carry a proper ID like a driver's license and show it to the police when they stop you because they reasonable suspect that you committed a crime and they want to see something that identifies who you are then they have the legal authority to detain you until your identity is determined.
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The cops routinely ask for an ID card when harassing pedestrians, and they do so knowing it is not a requirement to carry an ID, and that it is MORE LIKELY to cause a conflict. They want conflict. They need a reason to crush people to death.
The police do so because they hope you will produce a proper ID so they won't have to detain you until your identity can be determined.
Morons like you don't realize that though, do you?
This post was edited on 3/3/14 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 3/3/14 at 5:36 pm to DawgfaninCa
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f, as you want, the police aren't given the legal authority to detain someone suspected of committing even a minor crime until their identity is determined then murderers and violent criminals will be able to refuse to identify themselves and not be detained until their identity is determined.
As you've been told repeatedly, the police had been told the man wasn't the suspect.
Posted on 3/3/14 at 5:43 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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As you've been told repeatedly, the police had been told the man wasn't the suspect.
The police weren't told who was the suspect before they arrived at the scene and were in the process of determining who was the suspect when the incident occurred.
After all, people at the scene of a domestic violence crime especially relatives often lie about who did what and the police have to question everyone to determine what most likely occurred and who did what.
Posted on 3/3/14 at 5:43 pm to DawgfaninCa
You are either a huge troll or completely retarded.
Posted on 3/3/14 at 5:46 pm to MrCarton
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Nope, nope....aaaaaaand nope.
You are definatly ignorant and pompous enough to be a cop. Ill bet your skin itches when your victims dont give you a good reason to use force. You probably have the baiting language, and a-hole demeanor down to a science. Citizens must find it impossible to avoid your trap.
STOP RESISTING STOP RESISTING (TASER/MACE/GUN)
All in a days work!
And you don't get the fact that I don't have to consider someone innocent until proven in a court of law if I saw the person commit the crime.
If someone punches you in the nose and you saw them do it then are you going to consider them innocent until they are proven guilty in a court of law?
Posted on 3/3/14 at 5:47 pm to bencoleman
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You are either a huge troll or completely retarded.
Said the fool to the wise man.
Posted on 3/3/14 at 5:48 pm to DawgfaninCa
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So if you don't want to carry a proper ID like a driver's license and show it to the police when they stop you because they reasonable suspect that you committed a crime and they want to see something that identifies who you are then they have the legal authority to detain you until your identity is determined.
Hey dipshit, proper ID is name and address. That is all that is required, and it certainly has nothing to do with police dentention.
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The police do so because they hope you will produce a proper ID so they won't have to detain you until your identity can be determined.
No, they hope and pray their victims give them a reason to utilize some of that high speed arrrrmy training they received. If the victim doesn't volunteer a good reason for violence, people like you start laying the traps for them. You are a worthless thug dawgfan. People dont really respect your badge and uniform anymore because every time they run into you you harass them.
Posted on 3/3/14 at 5:50 pm to DawgfaninCa
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And you don't get the fact that I don't have to consider someone innocent until proven in a court of law if I saw the person commit the crime.
Aaaaaaaaand..........
nope.
Posted on 3/3/14 at 5:51 pm to DawgfaninCa
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The police weren't told who was the suspect before they arrived at the scene and were in the process of determining who was the suspect when the incident occurred.
Both the "suspect" and the wife told cops what happened.
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After all, people at the scene of a domestic violence crime especially relatives often lie about who did what and the police have to question everyone to determine what most likely occurred and who did what.
The mental gymnastics you've gone through here to stick with your ideals are impressive. Cops also gave conflicting stories on why they attacked the guy. One said it was because they thought he was going after the wife, another said it was because he took a fighting stance.
He walked around the cops before they jumped him.
Posted on 3/3/14 at 5:55 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Said the fool to the wise man
You shouldn't be calling anyone a fool, Have you seen your posts in this thread? Do you really expect people to believe that you don't know right from wrong? You are a disgusting troll.
Posted on 3/3/14 at 6:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Of course they had been told!
yes they had been told.
Dawgnitwit seems to think the popo just showed up in a mall parking lot looking for anyone who might be be someone who may have done something.
Posted on 3/3/14 at 6:02 pm to DawgfaninCa
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so the police didn't know the dispute was between the mother and her daughter.
Yes they did, per the police. Do you make it a personal mission to argue out of pure ignorance, or does that just accidentally happen?
Posted on 3/3/14 at 6:12 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Yes they did, per the police. Do you make it a personal mission to argue out of pure ignorance, or does that just accidentally happen?
Provide me with that evidence because all I've heard is that the person who reported the domestic dispute to the police by phone did not tell them who was involved in the dispute (the mother hit the daughter} and the police did not know when they arrived at the scene.
Posted on 3/3/14 at 6:13 pm to bencoleman
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You shouldn't be calling anyone a fool, Have you seen your posts in this thread? Do you really expect people to believe that you don't know right from wrong? You are a disgusting troll.
Said the fool to the wise man.
Posted on 3/3/14 at 6:18 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Provide me with that evidence because all I've heard is that the person who reported the domestic dispute to the police by phone did not tell them who was involved in the dispute (the mother hit the daughter} and the police did not know when they arrived at the scene.
So their ""plan"" was just to arrive, mill around, and hope for the best? That's the impression you're under? Seriously?
Posted on 3/3/14 at 6:19 pm to NC_Tigah
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So their ""plan"" was just to arrive, mill around, and hope for the best? That's the impression you're under? Seriously?
sounds like a solid plan
Posted on 3/3/14 at 6:20 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Both the "suspect" and the wife told cops what happened.
Provide me with the evidence when the "suspect" and the wife told the cops what happened because if the police were told at the scene that the mother hit the daughter and the police were trying to arrest the wife then it is possible that the man tried to interfere with the police and they could have been trying to restrain him and/or arrest him for interfering with the duty of a police officer or for not following the order of a police officer.
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