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re: Man dead after refusing to show police ID
Posted on 2/28/14 at 11:42 am to DawgfaninCa
Posted on 2/28/14 at 11:42 am to DawgfaninCa
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The police have the legal authority to detain you until your identity is determined so if you refuse to show your ID then they have the legal authority to physically detain you by using physical force.
If you are seriously injured as a result then it's your fault for refusing to show your ID. It's not the police officers' fault for doing their job.
If true, that is complete bull shite. Why would a cop need to use physical force for someone simply refusing to show ID?
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Posted on 2/28/14 at 11:44 am to Sevendust912
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What does this matter? If I kill someone unintentionally, I'm going to jail for a long time.
Not necessarily. If you have a car accident and kill the driver of the other car involved in the accident but it was the other persons fault then you are not going to jail.
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Why is it different for cops?
Cops have to confront and detain dangerous people every day so society gives them the legal authority to use deadly force when it is necessary.
In this case, the police did not intend the physical force they used to detain the father to result in the man's death.
If the man had done his duty as a citizen and fully cooperated with the police by showing them his ID then the police would not have had to use the physical force they needed to use to detain him which resulted in his death.
That's the facts, dude.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 11:46 am to Sevendust912
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If true, that is complete bull shite. Why would a cop need to use physical force for someone simply refusing to show ID?
In order to physically detain them until their identity can be determined, Einstein.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 11:49 am to DawgfaninCa
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physically detain
define this.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 11:53 am to DawgfaninCa
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The police have the legal authority to detain you until your identity is determined so if you refuse to show your ID then they have the legal authority to physically detain you by using physical force.
I have no problem with that. But you seem to be under the misimpression that there is no such thing as excessive force.
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It's not the police officers' fault for doing their job.
They can do their job without using excessive force to the point of death, bozo.
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I'm just telling you the cold-blooded facts of life.
You obviously didn't read my csb where I CLEARLY state that I am familiar with the "cold-blooded facts of life". Maybe you could learn some of these lessons yourself by getting locked up in general population at OPP sometime. You know, get a look at it from the other side. then I have the feeling you wouldn't be so arrogant on the matter.
Sadism has no place in our criminal justice system, yet the system is RIFE with it. But you go on and keep justifying it.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 11:54 am to DawgfaninCa
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If the man had done his duty as a citizen and fully cooperated with the police by showing them his ID then the police would not have had to use the physical force they needed to use to detain him which resulted in his death.
That's the facts, dude.
Actual fact, He had no "duty" to do so, read the law or lack there of.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 11:55 am to NC_Tigah
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You are insinuating they could not recognize they were subduing a limp, lifeless, motionless, unconscious person?
Could someone pretend to be limp, lifeless, motionless, and unconscious then when the police stop physically restraining that person they take advantage of the opportunity and injure one or more of the police officers?
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If they did recognize they were subduing a limp, lifeless, motionless, unconscious person, they knew the physical force they were using to detain him could kill.
The police officers weren't subduing a limp, lifeless, motionless, unconscious person. They were subduing a large man who was resisting them.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 11:59 am to DawgfaninCa
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the man had done his duty as a citizen and fully cooperated with the police by showing them his ID
Holy hell, what has happened to you in your lifetime to cause this incredibly warped line of thinking?
Posted on 2/28/14 at 12:01 pm to EA6B
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Actual fact, He had no "duty" to do so, read the law or lack there of.
bullshite.
It's your duty as a citizen and you are required to show identification when asked to do so by the police so they know who you are and who they are dealing with.
If you don't then they have the legal authority to physically detain you until your true identity is determined. If that means taking you down to the police station and detaining you there until they determine your identity then they have the legal authority to do so.
If you don't like that and want to refuse to show your ID when asked then that's your choice but make sure you always carry your toothbrush with you because you'll be staying at the Crossbar Hotel for a while.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 12:03 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Holy hell, what has happened to you in your lifetime to cause this incredibly warped line of thinking?
I grew up.
When are you going to grow up?
Posted on 2/28/14 at 12:06 pm to DawgfaninCa
quote:this varies by state law.
It's your duty as a citizen and you are required to show identification when asked to do so by the police so they know who you are and who they are dealing with.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 12:09 pm to DawgfaninCa
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It's your duty as a citizen and you are required to show identification when asked to do so by the police so they know who you are and who they are dealing with. If you don't then they have the legal authority to physically detain you until your true identity is determined. If that means taking you down to the police station and detaining you there until they determine your identity then they have the legal authority to do so.
Provide a link to the applicable State of Oklahoma statute, otherwise you are posting is nothing more than uninformed opinion.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 12:11 pm to DawgfaninCa
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they take advantage of the opportunity and injure one or more of the police officers?
Oh, yeah, God forbid a cop get a bloody nose...
...right?
Posted on 2/28/14 at 12:12 pm to DawgfaninCa
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I grew up.
You lost something along the way.
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When are you going to grow up?
Not sure. If it means accepting a police state as you do, maybe I prefer not to...
Posted on 2/28/14 at 12:13 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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I have no problem with that. But you seem to be under the misimpression that there is no such thing as excessive force.
bullshite.
I am well aware of the use of excessive force and it wasn't used in this case.
If the police had shot and killed the man after they physically subdued him then they would have used excessive force.
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They can do their job without using excessive force to the point of death, bozo.
In this case, the police used only the physical force necessary to subdue a man of his size which normally wouldn't result in the man's death, Einstein.
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You obviously didn't read my csb where I CLEARLY state that I am familiar with the "cold-blooded facts of life". Maybe you could learn some of these lessons yourself by getting locked up in general population at OPP sometime. You know, get a look at it from the other side. then I have the feeling you wouldn't be so arrogant on the matter.
Don't lay that bullshite on me.
I've been arrested and locked up for days in general population when I was innocent of the charges but I was a man and fully cooperated with the police when they arrested me.
Grow some balls and stop acting like a whiny bitch.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 12:16 pm to DawgfaninCa
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The police have the right to know who they are dealing with.
I have a right to privacy. Oklahoma has isn't a "stop and identify" state and the man was perfectly within his rights.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 12:16 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You lost something along the way.
I lost the rose colored glasses that I was looking at the world through.
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Not sure. If it means accepting a police state as you do, maybe I prefer not to...
It's time for you to take your rose colored glasses off.
The police do a dangerous job.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 12:18 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I have a right to privacy. Oklahoma has isn't a "stop and identify" state and the man was perfectly within his rights.
You don't have the right to privacy when you are in public or when the police suspect you of committing a crime.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 12:18 pm to DawgfaninCa
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I've been arrested and locked up for days in general population when I was innocent of the charges
OK
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but I was a man and fully cooperated with the police when they arrested me.
Could be your problem.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 12:21 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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but I was a man and fully cooperated with the police when they arrested me.
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Could be your problem.
Could be the reason why it wasn't necessary for the police to use physical force to detain me which could have resulted in me being seriously injured.
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