Majority of coal plants are more expensive to run than wind and solar plants

Lol at pbprog

The deal is the plants millions of dollars of construction, and infrastructure are already in place. Wind and solar will be a giant sink at first.

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Pbhog

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muh green deal

I would rebump your thread about Trump’s wiretapping lie, but the admins deleted it.

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Lol trump got rid of all subsides for wind and solar and gave them to the coal and oil industry

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The up-front cost is already part of their consideration when coming to the 74% replacement conclusion

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The research demonstrates how it's increasingly more expensive to operate existing coal plants than build clean energy alternatives.

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I have my doubts about an institution called Innovative Energy being completely unbiased, but at least this concern is already addressed in their methodology.

Only because of:

1. Rise of NG for power

2. Subsidies for, frankly, "unsuitable for the next 50 to 100 years for commercial purposes wind and solar"

3. Crippling regulations on coal imposed by an activist EPA literally sicced on them like one would a dog by Barack Hussein Obama.

So, you're right for the wrong reasons.

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Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
Solyndra ($535 million)*
Beacon Power ($43 million)*
Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million) SunPower ($1.2 billion)
First Solar ($1.46 billion)
Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)* Amonix ($5.9 million)
Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
Abound Solar ($400 million)*
A123 Systems ($279 million)*
Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)* Johnson Controls ($299 million)
Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
ECOtality ($126.2 million)
Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)* Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
Range Fuels ($80 million)*
Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
GreenVolts ($500,000)
Vestas ($50 million)
LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
Navistar ($39 million)
Satcon ($3 million)*
Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)* Mascoma Corp. ($100 million) *

Denotes companies that have filed for bankruptcy.

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This list includes only those companies that received federal money from the Obama Administration’s Department of Energy and other agencies. The amount of money indicated does not reflect how much was actually received or spent but how much was offered. The amount also does not include other state, local, and federal tax credits and subsidies, which push the amount of money these companies have received from taxpayers even higher. The complete list of faltering or bankrupt green-energy companies:

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Not sure why you’re laughing; I’m well aware that we’ve been transitioning away from renewable at the federal level, just as I’m sure you’re well aware that there are still many subsidies in place at the state levels.


But that’s really not the point. All I’m saying is that if we want to make an economic argument for replacement, we have to let markets do their work unimpeded. That means no regulatory burdens or subsidies to facilitate this transition, just as it means no more propping up of outdated and inefficient production.

I’m aware, and I support letting it die if it cannot supper itself. So let’s get government out of energy markets and let the strongest producers thrive.