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re: MAGA is dead, stick a fork in it. Has been successfully co-opted

Posted on 12/28/25 at 1:49 pm to
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 12/28/25 at 1:49 pm to
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Why do you think Trump wants to extend the subsidies?


The same reason he implements tariffs and dangles "no tax on tips" during elections and is happy to sign off on spending huge amounts of money and the same reason he does half the other stuff he does.

Because he doesn't consider the effects of anything long term. He only cares about the immediate gratification.

He's also not the least bit interested in educating the public. He communicates cryptically and enjoys the chaos and upset he stirs up with his rhetoric.

You know all of this.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10693 posts
Posted on 12/28/25 at 1:51 pm to
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Thats a lot of potential votes.


As I posted above, it's a fraction of the votes they supposedly lost (according to your logic) with the BBB. So why was that not political suicide?

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You have to replace Obamacare, not just revoke it.


You can keep saying that, but it doesn't make it true. It's just as easy for me to say, "No you don't."
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297576 posts
Posted on 12/28/25 at 1:53 pm to
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You can keep saying that, but it doesn't make it true


Good luck, because if not the subsidies will just keep getting kicked down the road.

Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10693 posts
Posted on 12/28/25 at 1:54 pm to
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because if not the subsidies will just keep getting kicked down the road.


Nope.

If they dismantled Obamacare there would be no subsidies to kick.

Right?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297576 posts
Posted on 12/28/25 at 2:02 pm to
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Nope.

If they dismantled Obamacare there would be no subsidies to kick.


I just dont see a scenario where that will occur.

We were promised it would be removed in 2016, and its still going strong.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10693 posts
Posted on 12/28/25 at 2:13 pm to
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I just dont see a scenario where that will occur.

We were promised it would be removed in 2016, and its still going strong.


I get it, but again, that's exactly what people said about Roe v Wade from 1973 all the way up to Dobbs.

Same idea. "That's never going to happen, so we should let it go and stop losing votes over it." I heard that all my life until the summer of 2022.

I'll agree with you that the most likely outcome is that no one will do the right thing and the next Democratic administration that has the votes will push it into a fully socialized system. (I think that happens even if the ACA subsidies keep getting extended, btw).

My point is that it doesn't have to be that way. Even if that is what ultimately happens.

You're not talking about any huge voting bloc here. Way smaller than the number of people that the BBB is going to piss off next year. And dwarfed by the number of middle class people who would get a raise by doing away with the nonsense.

It's not like reforming SS, which might have a public approval rating of 4%. I get why we're one day just going to ride over the cliff on that one like Thelma and Louise in our dusty convertible, refusing to give up 'till the end. I understand the voting pressures that will drive that ending.

But this one doesn't have to go that way. It really doesn't.

EDIT: Look at how the Democrats sold the program in the first place. Anybody with two working brain cells could see exactly where the ACA would end up, but they sold everybody on it and promised them they would save money and not have to give up their doctors, etc. And they rolled out the implementation over such a long period of time that people don't even associate the program with them any more.

Republicans just need to do the same exact thing—only in reverse—to get rid of it.

Lack of salesmanship and planning is the Republican's problem.
This post was edited on 12/28/25 at 2:19 pm
Posted by Spasweezy
Unfortunately, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 12/28/25 at 2:37 pm to
Pussy.
Posted by OWLFAN86
Erotic Novelist
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Posted on 12/28/25 at 2:39 pm to
Told ya so
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