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Posted on 8/15/14 at 6:36 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Yes, I do not like police. That has nothing to do with this situation.
But you accused me of passing judgement and convicting this officer. When did I do so?
When did I apologize for the police? We can play this game if you want. You started so you go first.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 6:37 pm to kilo
quote:Good. Then address the question. It wasn't a hypothetical.
Hypotheticals?
No thanks.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 6:40 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Good. Then address the question. It wasn't a hypothetical.
Provide context and details, a link or something.
ETA: An officer involved in a shooting while on duty in the context of his duties goes through a vetting and investigating process that is different from a normal homicide. It has nothing to do with privilege.
If that process deems the shooting unjustified, grand jury etc, then the officer is charged then he is on the same footing as any other alleged felon through the criminal process. They would also come under federal civil rights jurisdiction for violating civil rights.
Im having a hard time understanding why my comprehension of that fact makes me an appologist. or how others have a hard time comprehending this. Its not some secret.
This post was edited on 8/15/14 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 8/15/14 at 6:59 pm to kilo
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An officer involved in a shooting while on duty in the context of his duties goes through a vetting and investigating process that is different from a normal homicide.
And its usually here where he gets protected by his fellow officers and superiors, spends 30 days pushing papers in the PD basement, and is back on the street in no time.
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It has nothing to do with privilege.
Sounds like privilege to me. When other people shoot someone, they don't have a team of people dedicated to finding ways to exonerate them because if they are guilty they make a lot of other people look bad in the process. Cops have this blue shield.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 7:02 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Sounds like privilege to me. When other people shoot someone, they don't have a team of people dedicated to finding ways to exonerate them because if they are guilty they make a lot of other people look bad in the process.
You just described OJ's defense to a T (except for the word "shoot")
Posted on 8/15/14 at 7:04 pm to SabiDojo
Well now that this Boy will be facing time in prison for being involved in an assualt during a robbery,which is a felony. I wonder if he will tell the truth about his Friend to save his skin. Also i wonder of some of you know that the local police havnt being the one investigating this for days now. St. Louis county was asked pretty quickly to take this case over. And anyone who knows anything about these kinds of investigation realizes it takes quite a bit of time for information to come out. The police should in no way be pressured to feel they must release information to keep Animals from looting. If i were them id make sure my case was very very secure and all the I's and T's were crossed. Fact is that most of these people arnt going to belive the police if it goes against the boy. and believe me, no way in hell the cops will be able to cover up shite in this case. My question is ,How will the community react if they hear what they dont like?
Posted on 8/15/14 at 7:06 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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And its usually here where he gets protected by his fellow officers and superiors, spends 30 days pushing papers in the PD basement, and is back on the street in no time.
But you're not biased, right?
You think thats whats happening here? With the FBI,Justice Department, State Police all involved? Hilarious man. Just comical.
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Sounds like privilege to me. When other people shoot someone, they don't have a team of people dedicated to finding ways to exonerate them because if they are guilty they make a lot of other people look bad in the process. Cops have this blue shield.
EVERY officer involved shooting goes through this process. If you really, honestly, cant understand that there are times that an officer has to fire his weapon in the line of duty and that makes the situation different than a regular "homicide" I think there is no use having a discussion.
You dont like police, fine. That doest change the fact these circumstances are different.
This post was edited on 8/15/14 at 7:08 pm
Posted on 8/15/14 at 7:07 pm to real
He didn't commit an assault and he didn't steal anything. He has already been cleared. Try again real.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 7:09 pm to cwill
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He didn't commit an assault and he didn't steal anything. He has already been cleared. Try again real.
Yea, I dont remember hearing or reading anything about charging him in that incident at all. That doesnt mean that is want involved however, in the video he put what he was taking on the counter and didnt leave with property.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 7:10 pm to cwill
This story is starting to annoy me, can it go away already?
why is Michael Brown viewed as a hero or victim any more than the guy that got chokeholded in New York and died? simply because hes BLACK?
The family attorney has called it an assassination attempt... does he even know what the frick the word assassination means?
It's a tragedy, and Inshallah justice is served, but this should not be front page news or news at all given all the more important shite going on in the world. Michael Brown's life ultimately meant nothing, same as his death.
why is Michael Brown viewed as a hero or victim any more than the guy that got chokeholded in New York and died? simply because hes BLACK?
The family attorney has called it an assassination attempt... does he even know what the frick the word assassination means?
It's a tragedy, and Inshallah justice is served, but this should not be front page news or news at all given all the more important shite going on in the world. Michael Brown's life ultimately meant nothing, same as his death.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 7:11 pm to Ghazi
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This story is starting to annoy me, can it go away already?
why is Michael Brown viewed as a hero or victim any more than the guy that got chokeholded in New York and died? simply because hes BLACK?
The family attorney has called it an assassination attempt... does he even know what the frick the word assassination means?
It's a tragedy, and Inshallah justice is served, but this should not be front page news or news at all given all the more important shite going on in the world. Michael Brown's life ultimately meant nothing, same as his death.
Go start an Evil Zionist Empire thread then fool.
This post was edited on 8/15/14 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 8/15/14 at 7:11 pm to fleaux
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You just described OJ's defense to a T (except for the word "shoot")
Ok so cops AND rich/famous are privileged when it comes to these things. Glad you agree with the obvious.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 7:14 pm to kilo
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That doesnt mean that is want involved however, in the video he put what he was taking on the counter and didnt leave with property.
It means he didn't commit a crime.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 7:16 pm to cwill
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It means he didn't commit a crime.
Not necessarily. It means they are not pursuing charges.
This post was edited on 8/15/14 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 8/15/14 at 7:17 pm to kilo
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You think thats whats happening here? With the FBI,Justice Department, State Police all involved? Hilarious man. Just comical.
I know it may be hard for you to keep up being from MO and all, but we weren't talking about this case specifically. You were talking about the general differences between killings involving police vs regular citizens.
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If you really, honestly, cant understand that there are times that an officer has to fire his weapon in the line of duty
Of course these times exist. I just think cops have all the power in these situations and all they have to say is "the guy I shot attacked me and I feared for my life" and they often get away with it. If you think police in 2014 don't have way too much power AND don't very often abuse that power then yes, you are a cop apologist or a cop. Its that simple
Posted on 8/15/14 at 7:20 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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I know it may be hard for you to keep up being from MO and all, but we weren't talking about this case specifically. You were talking about the general differences between killings involving police vs regular citizens.
So thats what you have? More ad hominem bullshite?
I explained clearly proceduraly why its different.
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Of course these times exist. I just think cops have all the power in these situations and all they have to say is "the guy I shot attacked me and I feared for my life" and they often get away with it. If you think police in 2014 don't have way too much power AND don't very often abuse that power then yes, you are a cop apologist or a cop. Its that simple
Ok. If you say so. I have been pretty even keeled and open to the facts as they come. Seems you are the one plastering extreme circumstances to every situation in order to forward an anti police agenda.
Posted on 8/15/14 at 7:26 pm to kilo
Ok I will ask this again because this will let me know if you are in tune with reality:
Do you not believe that the police in 2014 have way too much power AND very often abuse that power? Are you fine with the current state of the police force, the over-militarization, and the lack of accountability? Or do these things not exist in your mind?
Do you not believe that the police in 2014 have way too much power AND very often abuse that power? Are you fine with the current state of the police force, the over-militarization, and the lack of accountability? Or do these things not exist in your mind?
Posted on 8/15/14 at 7:28 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Ok I will ask this again because this will let me know if you are in tune with reality:
When you choose to have a conversation based on mutual respect, let me know. Im not gonna sit around and chat with someone that launches attacks in ever single post just because you dont agree with what Im saying.
By the way you're getting into strawman territory and a couple other logical fallacies with the bellow questions:
quote:
Do you not believe that the police in 2014 have way too much power AND very often abuse that power? Are you fine with the current state of the police force, the over-militarization, and the lack of accountability? Or do these things not exist in your mind?
This post was edited on 8/15/14 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 8/15/14 at 7:32 pm to kilo
quote:The friend in her radio interview said the policeman saw the cigars in Brown's possession before he exited the squadcar, and Chief Jackson claimed they were in Brown's possession. Did he not?
in the video he put what he was taking on the counter and didnt leave with property.
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