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re: Life for Christians in Iraq worse now than under Sadaam
Posted on 10/21/14 at 9:55 pm to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 10/21/14 at 9:55 pm to Roger Klarvin
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given that Jesus acknowledged the OT as infallible
What about when he clearly makes it a point to contradict the law of Moses?
Or when the OT contradicts itself?
It's all so confusing. Let's just believe whatever is most convenient.
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Posted on 10/21/14 at 9:58 pm to genro
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:01 pm to genro
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What about when he clearly makes it a point to contradict the law of Moses?
Jesus chided the Pharisees for adding to Gods law. And for adding things that they had no intention of following themselves.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:17 pm to Revelator
John 3:16
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Phillipians 2:10-11
EVERYONE goes to heaven
You can interpet it any way you want. Except for "believe in Jesus or go to hell." That's not in there anywhere. That's just a nice proselytizing tactic.
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Phillipians 2:10-11
EVERYONE goes to heaven
You can interpet it any way you want. Except for "believe in Jesus or go to hell." That's not in there anywhere. That's just a nice proselytizing tactic.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:20 pm to genro
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Except for "believe in Jesus or go to hell." That's not in there anywhere. That's just a nice proselytizing tactic.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but by Me"? How do you interpret that?
Also you leave off John 3:14 and 3:15
"14"As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; 15so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life."
This post was edited on 10/21/14 at 10:21 pm
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:20 pm to KCT
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What did Bush have to do with the Arab Spring?
You should think hard about this...bet you can come up with the answer all on your own.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:23 pm to Tiguar
quote:If you want to talk to God, gotta go through Jesus.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but by Me"? How do you interpret that?
quote:If you believe in Jesus's resurrection, you'll live forever.
14"As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; 15so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life."
Still don't see anything about Hell for not believing
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:25 pm to Tiguar
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How do you interpret that?
Given that millions of Christians interpret it as universalism, I think it's pretty clear how unclear it is.
More or less, they argue that Jesus' death ultimately saves everyone whether they know it or not. In that way, everyone's salvation goes through him.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:26 pm to genro
So you believe in some kind of purgatory? Not a dichotomous heaven or hell?
This post was edited on 10/21/14 at 10:27 pm
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:26 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:This seems like a much more logical interpretation
More or less, they argue that Jesus' death ultimately saves everyone whether they know it or not. In that way, everyone's salvation goes through him.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:29 pm to Tiguar
quote:I have no clue.
So you believe in some kind of purgatory? Not a dichotomous heaven or hell?
Just going on what the Man said.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:30 pm to genro
The Man said believe on him and you will be saved. Saved from what? Paul said the wages of sin are death but the gift of God is salvation. Salvation from what? Death to what?
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:33 pm to Roger Klarvin
Saddam was by and large pretty secular for someone in the Mideast. He hated the religious nutjobs like Isis and practically slaughtered them every time they popped up.
The idea that we could go into the most violent and unstable region on Earth and spread, peace, love, and a working democracy was fantasy and practically an evil con-job.
Iraq needs a strong and tyrannical dictator right now.
The idea that we could go into the most violent and unstable region on Earth and spread, peace, love, and a working democracy was fantasy and practically an evil con-job.
Iraq needs a strong and tyrannical dictator right now.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:34 pm to Tiguar
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So you believe in some kind of purgatory? Not a dichotomous heaven or hell?
I think if there is something after death (and I doubt it) it is impossible for us to know this side of things. All of the afterlife outcomes proposed thus far by religions are dictated largely by when and where you were born and what circumstances life threw at you. There is no objective, equal test that we all take in life.
If Christianity is true, then every native American prior to the 16th century is fricked. If Islam is true, everyone prior to 750 AD is fricked. If Buddhism is true, those who take life too seriously are fricked. If Hinduism is true, those who like hamburgers are fricked.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:37 pm to Roger Klarvin
That's all swell and good but useless to this discussion. I'm challenging the assertion that the Bible doesn't say believe or you go to hell. The fact some unitarian folks don't think it does is not a valid argument as there are people who don't think vaccines work.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:38 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Why do Christians ALWAYS feel like they have to monopolize persecution and oppression?
Hmmm... Interesting generalization......
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:39 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Christianity is true, then every native American prior to the 16th century is fricked.
You don't know this. The bible says in Romans that creation itself bares witness that there is a God. We don't know how the souls
of those who lived before the crucifixion will be judged.
This post was edited on 10/21/14 at 10:40 pm
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:40 pm to Roger Klarvin
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I just find it interesting that, if someone started a threat about kurds being killed in Iraq, it would get about three replies and maybe 15-20 clicks.
Ironic post in this thread, considering half the posts are you shitting out of your mouth.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:40 pm to Roger Klarvin
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If Christianity is true, then every native American prior to the 16th century is fricked. If Islam is true, everyone prior to 750 AD is fricked. If Buddhism is true, those who take life too seriously are fricked. If Hinduism is true, those who like hamburgers are fricked.
Perhaps it's the shared values/morals a people preach/live, and not what part of the world you where born in?
It's crazy to think 'God' would be able to do that, no?
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:41 pm to Tiguar
quote:The destruction that comes from a life of worldly material pleasure. Here on earth. That was his thing.
The Man said believe on him and you will be saved. Saved from what?
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