re: Liberals Please Answer...If ACA is so good..

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Then Obamacare should have been a one piece page of legislation which allowed insurance to be sold and utilized across state lines.

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man, one page? most of the prescriptions i've gotten over the course of my life for things like acid-reducers and the like come with 4 pages of instructions, warnings, drug interactions, etc.

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I assume you realize that many of the structural components for the points you just attempted to make are actually tied directly to government overreach into healthcare, right?

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i don't understand this fetish of "government overreach." if you're so afraid of that, then you should protest the building codes that make your houses and offices structurally sound, you should protest the regulatory agencies who determine the minimum and maximum voltages that come out of your wall sockets, you should cry out about NIH funding for biomedical research, you should object to all of the food that you purchase which has safety controls to prevent you from getting sick from eating it, and on and on. government isn't really some big brother. the fact is that 99% of government isn't involved in nefarious activities -they just insure a standard of life that is equitable.

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Moreover, how does Obamacare solve this issue? The very reason Obama unilaterally keeps bumping the employer mandate is because so many are going to lose their employer provided insurance as a result of the mandate.

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i don't think it does. i think a single-payer option should have been the route taken, but the conservative members of congress refused to even negotiate on that. there's no venom in my voice when i say that. it is what it is. but it wasn't long ago that richard nixon, bob dole, and bill frist embraced a universal healthcare option. i guess our political memories are a bit short-sided, though. back when universal healthcare was supported by the GOP

my point is not that obamacare solves all of any issues. nothing solves all issues, uniformly. and i continue to be disapointed by the short scope of the healthcare law. but it's what we have and we have to make it work.

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Then why do they keep postponing implementation, Rex?

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Excuse me? I know several people covered with Obamacare plans.

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americans are overcharged by an estimated $10 billion dollars per year, which is 1/6th of that total debt you're referencing. that $10 billion doesn't even include the total cost we, as consumers, spend on healthcare.

and when you add to that the fact that our health insurance premiums have ballooned 108% between 1999 and 2009, it would seem that it would be in our best interests to attempt to curb premium hikes by some form of universal healthcare.

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Why have prices increased to such a degree in the U.S.?

How would converting to a UHC effectively reduce costs? What would be the consequences of those actions?

Think about those questions.

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i don't understand this fetish of "government overreach." if you're so afraid of that, then you should protest the building codes that make your houses and offices structurally sound, you should protest the regulatory agencies who determine the minimum and maximum voltages that come out of your wall sockets, you should cry out about NIH funding for biomedical research, you should object to all of the food that you purchase which has safety controls to prevent you from getting sick from eating it, and on and on.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

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i don't think it does. i think a single-payer option should have been the route taken, but the conservative members of congress refused to even negotiate on that.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring

As has been pointed out several times, there was no negotiation allowed and the ACA passed without a single GOP vote. This was strong-armed through and the dems own it.

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In that healthcare is now a LEGAL RIGHT in this country instead of a mere privilege.

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Yeah except those freedoms you had prior to enforcement of this POS.

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Excuse me? I know several people covered with Obamacare plans.

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Gentle reader, this is exactly why attempting to converse with one of the useful idiots is a waste of time. They are completely and utterly devoid of any shred of intellectual honesty.

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i think a single-payer option should have been the route taken, but the conservative members of congress refused to even negotiate on that. there's no venom in my voice when i say that. it is what it is.

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Obama and the democrats could have passed whatever they wanted. They had a super majority and control of the WH.

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Why have prices increased to such a degree in the U.S.?

How would converting to a UHC effectively reduce costs? What would be the consequences of those actions?

Think about those questions.

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because each hospital has a unique charge master who marks up costs to the degree that they are aware individual insurance carriers will pay.

because, unlike other countries who have state-wide bargaining power because of a universal system, we pay higher premiums for prescription drugs and medical services.

the fact is that a prescription drug and a foley both have fixed production costs and relatively fixed service costs (meaning: that the fluctuation between the agents who administer healthcare fall in fixed salary ranges, which could be reduced to fixed average service costs for the purpose of analysis). but since healthcare is administered by numerous independent providers, the costs of healthcare will vary according to both that insurer and the facility where service is received. i mean, doesn't it bother you that being given asprin in a hospital setting can cost you a different amount according to the affluence of the region in which you receive it or according to the bargaining strength of your coverage provider? it should. because we're talking about saving money and i think that is purported to be a paramount concern to conservatives.

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i think a single-payer option should have been the route taken, but the conservative members of congress refused to even negotiate on that.

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The majority of the country opposed the ACA. Trying to push through universal coverage would have been political suicide on the part of the DNC. It was never even an issue and was not made an issue based on decisions made by the DNC.

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As has been pointed out several times, there was no negotiation allowed and the ACA passed without a single GOP vote. This was strong-armed through and the dems own it.

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of course they own it. the whole point is that, when obama took office, the GOP openly vowed to obstruct and resist his every move. LINK

it isn't a "false dilemma" to say that "government overreach" has been fetishized. the only possible alternatives to western governance are either eastern governance or a hypothetical libertarian governance, which has not effectively ever existed.