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re: Let’s ask it this way libs...
Posted on 9/26/19 at 2:27 pm to cahoots
Posted on 9/26/19 at 2:27 pm to cahoots
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Everything points to that prosecutor being corrupt. He was viewed as corrupt by the people of Ukraine, his own deputy who resigned, the US, and the international community. Even Republicans thought he was corrupt......until now ?
Isn't it funny how he became a "good prosecutor" right when he needed to be?
Him being corrupt or not being corrupt isn't the issue. Has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Biden admitted to quid pro quo on video while being VPOTUS.
That doesn't matter to you though of course. You people are so full of shite, it's funny at this point.
You're an adult. How about you find some sense in your brain.
Lobotomized NPCs.
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Posted on 9/26/19 at 2:30 pm to ShortyRob
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He only took the position in Feb of the same year they started talking about removing him by May.
Who is they? Ukrainians were protesting on the streets for his removal. Every watchdog group in the country was on his arse.
You expect me to believe that Biden and the Obama admin single-handedly caused the uproar that led to his removal? Cmon.
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And ALL of the international chatter started AFTER or very close to the same time the Biden anti-Shokin chatter started.
It was consistent with chatter inside Ukraine.
Let me guess, Geroge Soros funded the protests and the watchdog groups and the entire international effort to remove him
This post was edited on 9/26/19 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 9/26/19 at 2:34 pm to i am dan
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Him being corrupt or not being corrupt isn't the issue. Has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Also... was it more or less corrupt than Biden’s son getting a do nothing job in Ukraine that he had zero experience in? To the tune of just under 90,000 a month?
Is that legitimate? Did hunter Biden have specialized expertise in energy we don’t know about then?
What about the billion plus dollar gig in China? Again... that he had no experience in.
Is this not corruption?? Why or why not?
But again.. they won’t answer and can’t come to terms with it
This post was edited on 9/26/19 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 9/26/19 at 2:39 pm to cahoots
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Yall are just mad that Trump's political stunt is turning into a democrat political stunt. I think the whole ordeal is probably BS for the record. But trump shook the beehive. He had no reliable evidence to begin with.
Please allow me help you out here- it's a quick read:
Uncle Joe is f**ked.
Posted on 9/26/19 at 2:40 pm to cahoots
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You expect me to believe that Biden and the Obama admin single-handedly caused the uproar that led to his removal? Cmon.
Sure. You believed Trump colluded with Russia. It sure is expected to be believed if you bought that.
And again.. there is a tape of Biden admitting they were going to withhold aid until he was fired. It’s on video. Of Biden.
Again. Biden used his position to withhold aid unless he was removed. And the outcome benefited his son. He cannot do that. It don’t matter if he was corrupt or not. It absolutely doesn’t matter.
This post was edited on 9/26/19 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 9/26/19 at 2:41 pm to cahoots
quote:That shite just doesn't add up.
Because it gives Biden, the US, and the Ukraine rationale to force Shokin out. If he was a good guy going after Burisma, this whole thing would make more sense. But there isn't much to suggest that he was.
He was soft on corruption throughout his tenure. There were protests in the streets. His deputy resigned and basically the entire international community viewed his as corrupt.
So yeah, that does matter. The Trump narrative makes way less less if he's corrupt.
If he's soft on corruption, and the Ukrainians already knew it, then why in the frick would Biden need to extort them for a billion just to convince them to remove him?
And again, why would they then spend the next 3 years trying to get the investigation evidence that supposedly shows a bunch of Burisma frickery to the US DOJ?
You do realize that Rudy Guiliani, on Laura Ingraham's show the other night, listed off several very specific things, like a $3 million payout to Hunter Biden, plus letters confirming money laundering and fraud.
Is Rudy just lying? If the "evidence" is innocuous, then why the hell did the Ukrainians try so damn hard to get it to us? Why the hell did Obama's people try so hard to prevent it from reaching us? Why did our State Dept. ask Rudy to go get it?
And, how in the hell does a cokehead who got kicked out of the Navy and has ZERO experience in oil and gas get paid $83,000 PER MONTH to be on the board of a Ukrainian oil and gas company?
How in the world does this not look like quid pro quo for Joe extorting the Ukrainians to fire the guy investigating that same company?
"Hey Joe, we'll hire your son and pay him millions if you convince the Ukrainians to stop investigating our company."
THAT is what actually adds up when you take everything else into consideration with it.
Otherwise, there is absolutely no logical sense why the Ukrainians tried so hard to get this evidence to our DOJ, only for Obama holdovers to quash it and sweep it under the rug.
Posted on 9/26/19 at 3:01 pm to BeefDawg
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If he's soft on corruption, and the Ukrainians already knew it, then why in the frick would Biden need to extort them for a billion just to convince them to remove him?
Because he was protecting Ukrainian leadership from scrutiny? You know, the exact same thing you accuse our prosecutors of doing
Posted on 9/26/19 at 3:02 pm to BeefDawg
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You do realize that Rudy Guiliani, on Laura Ingraham's show the other night, listed off several very specific things, like a $3 million payout to Hunter Biden, plus letters confirming money laundering and fraud.
Fine. Let's see it. He won't even say how he knows this information so I'm treating this like Glenn Beck's "bombshells" for now
Posted on 9/26/19 at 3:14 pm to cahoots
quote:You mean the same leadership that then tried for several years to get evidence from Shokin's investigation into the hands of our DOJ, but was continually rebuffed by Obama appointees?
Because he was protecting Ukrainian leadership from scrutiny? You know, the exact same thing you accuse our prosecutors of doing
And it's your contention that they were extorting someone they were trying to protect from scrutiny? LOLWTF?
How do you not realize your assertions are contradicted by facts and simple logic at every turn?
Posted on 9/26/19 at 3:18 pm to cahoots
quote:You know damn well that Barr and Durham are in the midst of this investigation and the evidence has been turned over to them. So it obviously isn't going to be released during an investigation.
Fine. Let's see it. He won't even say how he knows this information so I'm treating this like Glenn Beck's "bombshells" for now
But again, why would Rudy lie, using precise numbers, names, verbiage, and details of the evidence when it would be slander if he's lying and the Ukrainian President, who literally just spoke to our media, could have refuted it all if it weren't true?
Posted on 9/26/19 at 3:23 pm to BeefDawg
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You know damn well that Barr and Durham are in the midst of this investigation and the evidence has been turned over to them. So it obviously isn't going to be released during an investigation.
Link?
”If Dem party doesn’t call for investigation of Bidens’ millions from Ukraine and billions from China, they will own it. Bidens’ made big money selling public office?." - Guiliani
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But again, why would Rudy lie, using precise numbers, names, verbiage, and details of the evidence when it would be slander if he's lying and the Ukrainian President, who literally just spoke to our media, could have refuted it all if it weren't true?
This post was edited on 9/26/19 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 9/26/19 at 3:32 pm to Bunyan
He admitted recorded threats to withhold 1$ billion of foreign aid if the prosecutor was not fired.
Posted on 9/26/19 at 3:36 pm to i am dan
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Biden admitted to quid pro quo on video while being VPOTUS.
If so, he broke US law.
SO why are we talking about a Ukrainian investigation? This would be the jurisdiction of the US
Posted on 9/26/19 at 3:36 pm to FloridaCrackhead
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He admitted recorded threats to withhold 1$ billion of foreign aid if the prosecutor was not fired.
So what good does a Ukrainian investigation do if he already broke US law?
Posted on 9/26/19 at 3:37 pm to cahoots
quote:He said it on Ingraham's show at the same time he discussed all the evidence. Go find it if you haven't seen it.
Link?
quote:What are you laughing about? He's speaking truth.
”If Dem party doesn’t call for investigation of Bidens’ millions from Ukraine and billions from China, they will own it. Bidens’ made big money selling public office?." - Guiliani
Are you just deflecting or playing dumb?
Posted on 9/26/19 at 3:38 pm to BeefDawg
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What are you laughing about? He's speaking truth.
Are you just deflecting or playing dumb?
Why do we need a Ukrainian investigation if Biden is guilty of QPQ under US law?
Are you saying he is being investigated already? Joe Biden? In the US?
This post was edited on 9/26/19 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 9/26/19 at 3:39 pm to cahoots
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You expect me to believe that Biden and the Obama admin single-handedly caused the uproar that led to his removal? Cmon
So your calling Biden a liar?
Looks to me like the paid protesters weren't having the desired affect, so they sent in the VP.
Posted on 9/26/19 at 3:45 pm to cahoots
quote:Good grief, have you not even seen this?
If so, he broke US law.
SO why are we talking about a Ukrainian investigation? This would be the jurisdiction of the US
Biden admitting to extorting Ukraine to fire Shokin.
Posted on 9/26/19 at 3:47 pm to cahoots
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If so, he broke US law.
SO why are we talking about a Ukrainian investigation? This would be the jurisdiction of the US
I'm not arguing either side of this so nobody freak out on me, but I believe the issue there would be proving he requested or gained something of value in return. I know all the discussion of the money his son made, but whether that money was earned illegally or corruptly is a big debate.
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