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re: Kevin McCarthy: "Officer who shot Ashli Babbit did his job"
Posted on 2/6/23 at 2:59 pm to LSUconvert
Posted on 2/6/23 at 2:59 pm to LSUconvert
quote:
while one was in police custody and complying with orders.
I guess you missed the several minutes where George Floyd would not comply with police officers an get in the police car.
Not exonerating what transpired but you're factually incorrect.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 3:12 pm to Ten Bears
Babbitt is a victim of.....Q idiots
Posted on 2/6/23 at 3:20 pm to LSUconvert
quote:
Do you realize how disingenuous this argument is or have you completely lost the plot?
George Floyd was a drug-addled career criminal who (probably) died of an overdose. His death was framed as a racial police killing by corrupt left-wing politicians who wanted to take advantage of everyone's frustrations with the Covid lockdowns.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 3:21 pm to Figgy
quote:
Do you honestly think that the security teams are going to allow that chamber to be breeched?
You mean the "breeching" of the chambers that began NOT with strict security teams and measures BUT WITH a red carpet being rolled out?
Followed by overly-polite Congressional "pages" escorting disoriented visitors INTO the building?..
THEN by equally helpful organized guided tours up stairs and through specific doors by other nice uniformed men?..
Concluding with the "OMG! SHOT!!" cast-members yelling, mulling about and changing garb? (while) a johnny-on-the-spot medic magically appears as if a Broadway Play's Final Act?
Nope, didn't notice.
This post was edited on 2/6/23 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 2/6/23 at 3:23 pm to m2pro
quote:Yes, literally breaking into a federal facility. This board has made a fetish out of such things over the years. But now - all of a sudden - they like it!
On the day of the kill shot I told myself "play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 3:35 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
Yes, literally breaking into a federal facility.
A federal facility that is nicknamed "The People's House."
Posted on 2/6/23 at 3:43 pm to Tmcgin
quote:YOU support election thief and marxist revolution in the USA
Babbitt is a victim of.....Q idiots
you do not deserve to live here
Posted on 2/6/23 at 3:45 pm to ChineseBandit58
quote:whatever - she was NOT shot
The shooting of Ashley Babbit was at best, irregular, - most likely, a poor decision, - but possibly part of a planned set-up for political advantage.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 3:46 pm to Brickell
Imagine you were a cop. The highest of the high ups told you people were coming in to kill everyone and put the fear of God in you. You'd shoot to and it'd be your job. I don't blame that stooge.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 3:47 pm to RollTide1987
Babbit supporters. I’m genuinely curious as to what you all think her end goal was?
Let’s just go as far as we can in this building and protest some more?
Let’s see if they will actually stop us if we get too close to important people?
Let’s see if we can actually hang Pence?
She’s former military. You would think she would have a solid understanding of federal security and protection of government leaders in a chaotic situation like January 6th.
Let’s just go as far as we can in this building and protest some more?
Let’s see if they will actually stop us if we get too close to important people?
Let’s see if we can actually hang Pence?
She’s former military. You would think she would have a solid understanding of federal security and protection of government leaders in a chaotic situation like January 6th.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 4:39 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Which as we all know means "you are allowed to storm in ANYTIME YOU WANT!!!!"
A federal facility that is nicknamed "The People's House."
What happened to comply or die?
What happened to "take it up in a courtroom, not when the LEO has a gun on you"?
Posted on 2/6/23 at 4:40 pm to au4you
quote:something something pedo pizza q grammys satanic
Babbit supporters. I’m genuinely curious as to what you all think her end goal was?
Let’s just go as far as we can in this building and protest some more?
Let’s see if they will actually stop us if we get too close to important people?
Let’s see if we can actually hang Pence?
She’s former military. You would think she would have a solid understanding of federal security and protection of government leaders in a chaotic situation like January 6th.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 11:29 am to Ten Bears
quote:
I guess you missed the several minutes where George Floyd would not comply with police officers an get in the police car.
Did you even watch the video? You're making yourself look stupid.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 1:26 pm to Brickell
I see a lot of people coming up with bizarre analogies such as castle doctrine in your own home which are not applicable here. The other side is not much better.
There is a policy.
Standard federal use of force policy:
(This comes from one particular agency, but this closely tracks the basic language adopted by all federal agencies many years ago.)
So the question for me is whether this person actually posed such a high level of imminent threat that gun fire was the reasonable force necessary to prevent death or serious bodily injury to people inside the chamber. Keep in mind that the standard of reasonable, is "reasonable officer" rather than "reasonable man."
Other less lethal options that come to mind: Verbal command. Open hand take down and handcuff. Taser. This person was vulnerable when coming through a window. Why could that opportunity not be used to contain and restrain her with a deterrent effect on people outside?
After a year of seeing supposedly non-violent people burning, looting and battering structures and assaulting police personnel with very limited police force being used in return, this is a huge contrast.
Not sure that I know the answer, but I do have questions which I have not seen properly addressed.
It looks like they swept a lot under the carpet and did not give the public a proper accounting for this use of force.
There is a policy.
Standard federal use of force policy:
quote:
agents may use deadly force only when necessary—when the agent has a reasonable belief that the subject of such force poses an imminent danger of death or serious physical injury to the agent or another person. If feasible, a verbal warning to submit to the authority of the special agent is given prior to the use of deadly force.
(This comes from one particular agency, but this closely tracks the basic language adopted by all federal agencies many years ago.)
So the question for me is whether this person actually posed such a high level of imminent threat that gun fire was the reasonable force necessary to prevent death or serious bodily injury to people inside the chamber. Keep in mind that the standard of reasonable, is "reasonable officer" rather than "reasonable man."
Other less lethal options that come to mind: Verbal command. Open hand take down and handcuff. Taser. This person was vulnerable when coming through a window. Why could that opportunity not be used to contain and restrain her with a deterrent effect on people outside?
After a year of seeing supposedly non-violent people burning, looting and battering structures and assaulting police personnel with very limited police force being used in return, this is a huge contrast.
Not sure that I know the answer, but I do have questions which I have not seen properly addressed.
It looks like they swept a lot under the carpet and did not give the public a proper accounting for this use of force.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 1:35 pm to Brickell
She didn’t deserve to die. Although I will maintain my position to not put yourself in a position to allow someone to abuse their power.
Seem like a situation where the level of force he used was entirely unnecessary but he also had a huge mandate protecting him from charges that he was shielded by.
Seem like a situation where the level of force he used was entirely unnecessary but he also had a huge mandate protecting him from charges that he was shielded by.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 1:48 pm to lsu13lsu
quote:
Imagine you were a cop. The highest of the high ups told you people were coming in to kill everyone and put the fear of God in you. You'd shoot to and it'd be your job. I don't blame that stooge.
That stooge posted “I can’t wait till I get to shoot a white
perso”n on his Twitter.
This post was edited on 2/8/23 at 1:50 pm
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