re: Just curious as to who believes in aliens/UFOs coverup

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credible evidence

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credible evidence

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Just for starters, this artifact found at the base of Hidden Mountain, Nevada with an inscription proclaiming the Ten Commandments in ancient Paleo-Hebrew characters is credible evidence that ancient Old World civilizations explored and settled in North America before the arrival of Columbus.

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I did not downvote you, but why is there a white dove in the UFO?

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So you agree that De Gelder painted a disc-shaped UFO but you just think that's a white dove in the center of it.

How in 1710 would De Gelder know about disc-shaped UFOs that can send out beams of light?

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So you agree that De Gelder painted a disc-shaped UFO

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No, I don't.

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but you just think that's a white dove in the center of it.

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It is a white dove in the center.

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How in 1710 would De Gelder know about disc-shaped UFOs that can send out beams of light?

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He didn't. Auras, halos, power of God, etc., are themes in art going back a hell of a lot longer than 1710.

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So you agree that De Gelder painted a disc-shaped UFO

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No, I don't.

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Then why did you refer to the disc-shaped object in De Gelder's painting as a UFO in your recent post?

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I did not downvote you, but why is there a white dove in the UFO?

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but you just think that's a white dove in the center of it.

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It is a white dove in the center.

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Prove it's just a white dove.

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How in 1710 would De Gelder know about disc-shaped UFOs that can send out beams of light?

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He didn't. Auras, halos, power of God, etc., are themes in art going back a hell of a lot longer than 1710.

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Then what is De Gelder depicting in the painting that looks like a disc-shaped UFO beaming down 4 rays of light on Jesus?

BTW, Do you know what the "Glory of God" refers to?

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BTW, Do you know what the "Glory of God" refers to?

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Are you referring to the "doxa" of God?

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You just say something is not credible evidence so you can say there is no credible evidence.

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Because you're taking natural events and assigning supernatural causes, for no reason other than that you WANT to believe.

Do better.

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You just say something is not credible evidence so you can say there is no credible evidence.

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Because you're taking natural events and assigning supernatural causes, for no reason other than that you WANT to believe.

Do better.

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I'm taking natural events and assigning natural causes that you call "supernatural" because you DON'T WANT to believe.

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Then why did you refer to the disc-shaped object in De Gelder's painting as a UFO in your recent post?

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I was parroting your language.

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Then what are you claiming De Gelder was depicting in the painting that looks like a disc-shaped UFO emitting 4 beams of light on Jesus?

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Prove it's just a white dove.

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Prove to you that a often used symbol of the Holy Ghost in a religious painting that has white feathers and wings is just a white dove? That's idiotic. Why don't you prove to me that it's not?

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What is De Gelder depicting in the painting that looks like a disc-shaped UFO emitting 4 beams of light on Jesus that surrounds what you claim is a white dove?

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Then what is De Gelder depicting in the painting that looks like a disc-shaped UFO beaming down 4 rays of light on Jesus?

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This is a silly question.

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It's an excellent question.

Answer it.

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BTW, Do you know what the "Glory of God" refers to?

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What?

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There's a lot of things that you are ignorant of and this is just one of them.

Now explain how ancient man was able to make these holes in stone.

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No. I'm not referring to glorifying "God". 

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I'm not either. I'm referring to the original Greek for the word glory when referring to God. It's closely tied in with His energia.

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I'm not referring to the "doxa" of God.

I am referring to a physical object that is referred to as "the glory of God", "the glory of the God of Israel" and "the glory of the Lord".

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I'm referring to the physical object that is referred to as the "Glory of God".

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By who? When? Where? A little context would be helpful.

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Exodus 16:6

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So Moses and Aaron said to all the Israelites, "In the evening you will know that it was the LORD who brought you out of Egypt, 7 and in the morning you will see the glory of the LORD, because he has heard your grumbling against him. Who are we, that you should grumble against us?"

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Exodus 16:10

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While Aaron was speaking to the whole Israelite community, they looked toward the desert, and there was the glory of the LORD appearing in the cloud.

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Exodus 24:15

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When Moses went up on the mountain, the cloud covered it, 16 and the glory of the LORD settled on Mount Sinai. For six days the cloud covered the mountain, and on the seventh day the LORD called to Moses from within the cloud. 17 To the Israelites the glory of the LORD looked like a consuming fire on top of the mountain. 18 Then Moses entered the cloud as he went on up the mountain. And he stayed on the mountain forty days and forty nights.

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Exodus 40:34

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Then the cloud covered the Tent of Meeting, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle. 35 Moses could not enter the Tent of Meeting because the cloud had settled upon it, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle.

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Leviticus 9:5

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They took the things Moses commanded to the front of the Tent of Meeting, and the entire assembly came near and stood before the LORD. 6 Then Moses said, "This is what the LORD has commanded you to do, so that the glory of the LORD may appear to you."

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Leviticus 9:23

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Moses and Aaron then went into the Tent of Meeting. When they came out, they blessed the people and the glory of the LORD appeared to all the people.

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Numbers 16:16

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Moses said to Korah, "You and all your followers are to appear before the LORD tomorrow—you and they and Aaron. 17 Each man is to take his censer and put incense in it—250 censers in all—and present it before the LORD. You and Aaron are to present your censers also." 18 So each man took his censer, put fire and incense in it, and stood with Moses and Aaron at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting. 19 When Korah had gathered all his followers in opposition to them at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting, the glory of the LORD appeared to the entire assembly. 20 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, 21 "Separate yourselves from this assembly so I can put an end to them at once."

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Numbers 20:6

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Moses and Aaron went from the assembly to the entrance to the Tent of Meeting and fell facedown, and the glory of the LORD appeared to them.

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2 Chronicles 7:1

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When Solomon finished praying, fire came down from heaven and consumed the burnt offering and the sacrifices, and the glory of the LORD filled the temple. 2 The priests could not enter the temple of the LORD because the glory of the LORD filled it. 3 When all the Israelites saw the fire coming down and the glory of the LORD above the temple, they knelt on the pavement with their faces to the ground, and they worshiped and gave thanks to the LORD, saying, "He is good his love endures forever."

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Ezekiel 3:12

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Then the Spirit lifted me up, and I heard behind me a loud rumbling sound—May the glory of the LORD be praised in his dwelling place!— 13 the sound of the wings of the living creatures brushing against each other and the sound of the wheels beside them, a loud rumbling sound.

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Ezekiel 3:22

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The hand of the LORD was upon me there, and he said to me, "Get up and go out to the plain, and there I will speak to you." 23 So I got up and went out to the plain. And the glory of the LORD was standing there, like the glory I had seen by the Kebar River, and I fell facedown.

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Ezekiel 8:4

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And there before me was the glory of the God of Israel, as in the vision I had seen in the plain.

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Ezekiel 9:3

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Now the glory of the God of Israel went up from above the cherubim, where it had been, and moved to the threshold of the temple...

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Ezekiel 10:18

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Then the glory of the LORD departed from over the threshold of the temple and stopped above the cherubim. 19 While I watched, the cherubim spread their wings and rose from the ground, and as they went, the wheels went with them. They stopped at the entrance to the east gate of the LORD's house, and the glory of the God of Israel was above them.

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Ezekiel 11:22

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Then the cherubim, with the wheels beside them, spread their wings, and the glory of the God of Israel was above them. 23 The glory of the LORD went up from within the city and stopped above the mountain east of it. 24 The Spirit lifted me up and brought me to the exiles in Babylonia in the vision given by the Spirit of God.

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Ezekiel 43:1

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Then the man brought me to the gate facing east, 2 and I saw the glory of the God of Israel coming from the east. His voice was like the roar of rushing waters, and the land was radiant with his glory. 3 The vision I saw was like the vision I had seen when he came to destroy the city and like the visions I had seen by the Kebar River, and I fell facedown. 4 The glory of the LORD entered the temple through the gate facing east. 5 Then the Spirit lifted me up and brought me into the inner court, and the glory of the LORD filled the temple.

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Ezekiel 44:4

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Then the man brought me by way of the north gate to the front of the temple. I looked and saw the glory of the LORD filling the temple of the LORD, and I fell facedown.

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