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Posted on 8/11/19 at 8:00 am to themunch
Where are you getting four years?
Posted on 8/11/19 at 8:10 am to themunch
Without knowing who has officially filed documents against Epstein, my guess would be, those victims filed in Florida, where the statutes are more favorable towards Epstein.
If you listened to attorneys for the upcoming suits, my guess is, these will be filed in New York where the statutes are much more disfavorable to Epstein.
Edit! Apologies for mixing up the state and statutes.
If you listened to attorneys for the upcoming suits, my guess is, these will be filed in New York where the statutes are much more disfavorable to Epstein.
Edit! Apologies for mixing up the state and statutes.
This post was edited on 8/11/19 at 8:16 am
Posted on 8/11/19 at 8:16 am to davyjones
where are you getting a life sentence?
This post was edited on 8/11/19 at 8:23 am
Posted on 8/11/19 at 8:17 am to themunch
Posted on 8/11/19 at 8:24 am to themunch
He was facing ballpark 45 years. That would amount to a life sentence as he'd die in prison given his age.
Posted on 8/11/19 at 8:38 am to davyjones
quote:
About the charges: He is charged with one count of sex trafficking of minors and one count of conspiracy to engage in sex trafficking of minors.
The wording in the article is kind of weird and staged in my opinion. It states he could receive up to 45 years for all charges. Then states there is no minimum penalty? What does this even mean? If there is no minimum how do they determine where to start with the time length of crime?
I am not defending the perv just trying to understand the want for suicide.
This post was edited on 8/11/19 at 8:44 am
Posted on 8/11/19 at 8:44 am to themunch
NDTY
I am listening to Lionel Nation right now and he is flat out calling it murder.
I am listening to Lionel Nation right now and he is flat out calling it murder.
Posted on 8/11/19 at 8:51 am to themunch
quote:
About the charges: He is charged with one count of sex trafficking of minors and one count of conspiracy to engage in sex trafficking of minors.
"Epstein is being charged with one count of sex trafficking conspiracy and one count of sex trafficking, and faces up to 45 years in prison if found guilty."
I selected NBC to quote, but that's just one source of same info. Additionally, we heard SDNY publicly request other victims to come forward and as I understood it they did succeed in that. If so, a superceding indictment would have been filed adding any extra counts/victims. But again, even without he was facing 45 already. Human trafficking carries a max of 20 with further enhanced penalty where minors are involved but the specific age is a determinative factor in sentencing.
ETA...the confusing wording is due to the varying penalty enhancements depending on age of victim.
--I am not defending the perv just trying to understand the want for suicide.--
I feel ya.
This post was edited on 8/11/19 at 9:00 am
Posted on 8/11/19 at 9:06 am to RazorBroncs
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Long story short, there's something fishy going on here. Suicide watch means everything they could potentially harm themselves with is stripped away and they're always under careful watch; not like every 15 minutes like some have suggested.
Good points, but I think they are saying that he wasn't on suicide watch, which that part is suspicious being that he supposedly tried to kill himself couple weeks ago.
Posted on 8/11/19 at 9:10 am to PygmalionEffect
Right now, I would say that he did kill himself, but he might have had help. More info needs to made public on how he died.
Toxicology tests definitely need to be performed and made public.
Remember, he never disagreed or had his lawyers claim that someone tried to kill him on the first incident. He actually agreed with the determination that he tried to kill himself the first time and his lawyers used it as an argument to have him moved to a mental health hospital.
Toxicology tests definitely need to be performed and made public.
Remember, he never disagreed or had his lawyers claim that someone tried to kill him on the first incident. He actually agreed with the determination that he tried to kill himself the first time and his lawyers used it as an argument to have him moved to a mental health hospital.
Posted on 8/11/19 at 9:15 am to PygmalionEffect
All good points. But it seems the more we think we know the less we really do. That first event is still unclear. He apparently had a cellie at the time, that shady acting fella. It could be reasonable to theorize that the cellie laid hands on the molester, molester was too fearful to rat on cellie, and isolated suicide watch got molester away from further harm.
Posted on 8/11/19 at 9:21 am to davyjones
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All good points. But it seems the more we think we know the less we really do. That first event is still unclear. He apparently had a cellie at the time, that shady acting fella. It could be reasonable to theorize that the cellie laid hands on the molester, molester was too fearful to rat on cellie, and isolated suicide watch got molester away from further harm.
Accusing the guy of trying to murder you would have been much more effective of never seeing the guy again.
Plus, that theory would point more to this last incident being an actual suicide if you have a man so fearful of his fellow prisoners that one of them tries to murder him and he feels too frightened to report it.
That is an environment where it would be reasonable to kill oneself.
On the first one, he either tried to kill himself or had the other prisoner do it.
Posted on 8/11/19 at 9:25 am to themunch
He probably paid someone off to leave him alone and let him do it.
Posted on 8/11/19 at 9:33 am to PygmalionEffect
That's plausible too.
Posted on 8/11/19 at 9:57 am to PygmalionEffect
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Accusing the guy of trying to murder you would have been much more effective of never seeing the guy again.
But then he's deemed a molester AND a rat. They'd track him down and eat his flesh for that if possible.
Posted on 8/11/19 at 11:45 am to PygmalionEffect
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Good points, but I think they are saying that he wasn't on suicide watch, which that part is suspicious being that he supposedly tried to kill himself couple weeks ago
there’s a small number of suicide watch cells and guards to keep watch 24/7. you can’t just camp out there
Posted on 8/11/19 at 11:56 am to Athis
Posted on 8/11/19 at 11:59 am to wookalar1013
What if he was so afraid of someone killing him that he intentionally hurt himself enough the first time to be moved to a mental health facility where he could be under constant observation and to where he thought no one could get to him?
Posted on 8/11/19 at 12:13 pm to VolInBavaria
Apparently they wanted him dead.
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