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re: Is it time to start talking more openly again about Communism?
Posted on 7/6/19 at 10:23 am to Dale51
Posted on 7/6/19 at 10:23 am to Dale51
quote:I do. But our Donor/Collectivist class isn’t going to give up control and ownership of their monopolies to the state, and they aren’t going to become faces of bureaucracy.
Communism is a social order that...at first..is either willingly adopted, incrementally, or apathetically ignored. You don't seem to understand this.
They like being the puppet-masters behind the scenes. And they also depend on the two-party system to maintain homeostasis.
They’re just not going to promote communism and push for people to buy into it.
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Posted on 7/6/19 at 10:37 am to BeefDawg
Every “ Communist” country has had a hybrid form of Communism/Marxism, to account for the particulars of that culture. We have American ( You are a racistsexisthomophobe! ) Progressivism. It seeks to replace American traditions, principles ideals and Institutions with Marxist constructs.
It has already largely WON our broader culture . We are simply cultural dissenters, a rear guard action. At some point, with the passage of time, in a post- Constitutional society, The State will feel emboldened to take what it wants whether the Donor/Collectivist Class agrees to it or not. This can be done effectively Putin-style- through a system of Oligarchs to replace our Capitalists.
It has already largely WON our broader culture . We are simply cultural dissenters, a rear guard action. At some point, with the passage of time, in a post- Constitutional society, The State will feel emboldened to take what it wants whether the Donor/Collectivist Class agrees to it or not. This can be done effectively Putin-style- through a system of Oligarchs to replace our Capitalists.
This post was edited on 7/6/19 at 10:40 am
Posted on 7/6/19 at 10:56 am to MrCarton
quote:I disagree.
We are already here. The "right" only gives token resistance, and never on any meaningful ground. Example: Ben Shapiro opposes Muslim immigration, be they aren't tolerant enough to gays.
Conservatives lap this up, because they think they are "owning the libs" by being more "tolerant" than the libs. This is the Kosher Sandwich we live in.
The truth is that a huge dose of intolerance is badly needed right now. The least tolerant group has the advantage.
There is already a large faction of “Classic Liberals” who are petrified with how far Left the Dem Party has gone just to chase votes.
These Classic Libs are also finding that if they speak up, they are getting devoured and excommunicated by Progressives. At the same time, they are being very cordially embraced, accepted, and invited by the Center-Right, and it’s blowing their minds because they thought we were supposed to be they a-hole intolerant ones, but they’re finding we’re not at all.
Trump is awesome because we so badly needed a bull to go wreck the china shop. And we still need this for another 4 years. But after that we need a Center-Right Intellectual who can communicate, win over the Center-Left Classic Libs, and finally break the Establishment machine and turn the Progressives into a powerless ineffectual minority.
Right now, the Dem party doesn’t know what to do about Progressives. The Lefty media is so hellbent consumed with TDS they have given Left Extremism a voice, to their own detriment.
The Right just needs to continue inviting in the Moderate-Left who’s disenchanted with their party being hijacked by Progressives and TDS nutjobs, and we can slowly but surely fix this thing.
So no, we don’t need the Right to go more intolerant, except against Progressives and Collectivism. But chill out on “all” Liberals. Don’t call the Classic Libs bad, embrace them. Separate them from the shitstains taking over their side and they will help us get the ship ruddered straight again.
Posted on 7/6/19 at 11:03 am to BeefDawg
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after that we need a Center-Right Intellectual who can communicate, win over the Center-Left Classic Libs, and finally break the Establishment machine and turn the Progressives into a powerless ineffectual minority.
Um. No. We are dangerously entering Weimar territory. Further weakness is definitely not the answer.
Posted on 7/6/19 at 11:17 am to DeusVultMachina
quote:Im not advocating weakness. Go after the extreme left and the idiot politicians who are pandering to them with as much as you got.
Um. No. We are dangerously entering Weimar territory. Further weakness is definitely not the answer.
But just be aware there are old school liberals out there right now who are alone and looking for a home. And we can invite them in and they can help us not only destroy the Progressive movement, but maybe even the Establishment and Collectivist movement too.
It’s as simple as not acting like every Liberal is a commy piece of shite. You’ll just push these folks to the extreme left. Yes, their moderate Liberal views still don’t align, but at least they’re not absurdly extreme like Progressives are.
But these Classic Libs hate PC and identity politics as much as we do. There’s way more than you think too. And they are sitting there in limbo confused on which way to go. Invite them in, respectfully disagree with their points of view, but don’t be such an arse to them you push them back to the left. It’s really not that difficult.
Posted on 7/6/19 at 11:25 am to BeefDawg
Classic liberalism is dead and the "extreme left" is actually the mainstream democratic party. Political correctness newspeak is the order of the day.
Your thinking is wishfully out of touch. Go watch their debates, read their public statements, and examine their voting records.
The "extreme left" is mainstream D. I wish they weren't, but they have already embraced what they are. And there is only one type of communist.
Your thinking is wishfully out of touch. Go watch their debates, read their public statements, and examine their voting records.
The "extreme left" is mainstream D. I wish they weren't, but they have already embraced what they are. And there is only one type of communist.
Posted on 7/6/19 at 11:35 am to DeusVultMachina
quote:
The colonial American flag sewn by Betsy Ross, the US flag of the American Revolution, has been labeled racist. The communists burn the flag.
The Founding Fathers have been labeled racist. The communists destroy their statues.
The problem is that conservatives argue that these people weren't racist, and thus empower the leftist premise.
This is the Kosher mouse wheel:
Accept the leftwing premise.
Throw anyone to the right of you under the bus
Negotiate an honorable defeat.
Repeat.
This paradigm lead to the rise of grifters like Charlie Kirk and Candace Owens of Turning Tricks USA, which represents a movement of intellectual powerhouses like Prager, Levin, Shapiro, and National Review et al.
It's a total dead end. It's worse than a dead end, it's a bottomless pit of defeat and capitulation.
This post was edited on 7/6/19 at 11:42 am
Posted on 7/6/19 at 11:40 am to BeefDawg
quote:
But these Classic Libs hate PC and identity politics as much as we do. There’s way more than you think too. And they are sitting there in limbo confused on which way to go. Invite them in, respectfully disagree with their points of view, but don’t be such an arse to them you push them back to the left. It’s really not that difficult.
Well, anyone rejecting "identity politics" is drinking Jim Jones' Kool Aid. Classical Liberals are screaming into a hurricane.
Posted on 7/6/19 at 11:44 am to Jimbeaux
Posted on 7/6/19 at 11:46 am to BeefDawg
quote:
So no, we don’t need the Right to go more intolerant, except against Progressives and Collectivism. But chill out on “all” Liberals. Don’t call the Classic Libs bad, embrace them. Separate them from the shitstains taking over their side and they will help us get the ship ruddered straight again.
It's over. This strategy is a complete non-starter. The right and the classical liberal and center left will not be forming any coalition to take anything back. The demographic time bomb is exploding right now. The changes just in the period between 2016 and 2020, may mean it's impossible for Trump to win. By 2024, he wouldn't have a shot in hell. In 2040, the sociopoltical landscape will be alien to every adult alive now.
The right wing is essentially a political insurgency, right here, right now.
This post was edited on 7/6/19 at 11:48 am
Posted on 7/6/19 at 11:47 am to DeusVultMachina
quote:
Classic liberalism is dead and the "extreme left" is actually the mainstream democratic party. Political correctness newspeak is the order of the day.
Your thinking is wishfully out of touch. Go watch their debates, read their public statements, and examine their voting records.
The "extreme left" is mainstream D. I wish they weren't, but they have already embraced what they are. And there is only one type of communist.
Look, I agree the Progressives are the mainstream Dems now. This is WHY the moderates/Classic Libs are homeless.
They DO exist. Go pull up Dave Rubin’s YouTube page and just watch some of his interviews of Liberals. They are complaining about Progressives and railing on the Dems as much or even more than we are. And they are all admitting that they don’t catch near the grief from the Right as they do the current mainstream Left.
They are almost begging us to let them in.
Even Jimmy Dore and Bret Weinstein, who use to consider themselves Progressives, won’t call themselves that anymore, and they continually rail on the Left and Dems for going to far Left and suffering from TDS.
I’m telling you, there are a lot of these people out there now. We are looking a gift horse in the mouth and shooting ourselves in the foot if we don’t take advantage of this opportunity.
This post was edited on 7/6/19 at 11:50 am
Posted on 7/6/19 at 11:49 am to BeefDawg
quote:When the “sensible left” starts pushing back against the lions on their own side maybe I’ll start taking them seriously. But not a single person in the democrat party or media or academia has EVER called out their own loons.
It’s as simple as not acting like every Liberal is a commy piece of shite.
Frankly we should be ignoring the loons and forcing all democratic candidates to answe for their support of the fricking crazies that have taken over the left. All democratic politicians should have to answer for why they haven’t outright denounced domestic terrorist organizations like BLM and Antifa.
Every time a republican goes in public they have to answer for some ridiculous Neo Nazi shut that they have never vocally or even peripherally supported.
For now Trump has the answer. Continue to run against the media and the crazies in the party. They are their own worst enemies. The right should continue to marginalize the “center-left” until the center left decides they want to act like grown ups and put the children back in time out where they belong.
Posted on 7/6/19 at 11:50 am to BeefDawg
quote:Its their own fault. They shouldn’t have pandered to those fricking children.
Look, I agree the Progressives are the mainstream Dems now. This is WHY the moderates/Classic Libs are homeless.
Posted on 7/6/19 at 11:50 am to Lsupimp
quote:
. At some point, with the passage of time, in a post- Constitutional society, The State will feel emboldened to take what it wants whether the Donor/Collectivist Class agrees to it or not. This can be done effectively Putin-style- through a system of Oligarchs to replace our Capitalists.
Given the reality of our corporate/state relationships now, I'd say we were one election election (2016) away from this precise reality. Even Trump won't slow the amalgamation of corporate and state power.
Posted on 7/6/19 at 11:51 am to MrCarton
Yes. So do not use their newspeak. Do not engage their terms. They are an absurdity and should be regarded with complete disdain. But not ignored-- actively ridiculed with true white-hot open disdain.
"Thats insensitive" and any variation of it to browbeat us into submission should only net response from us "we don't care." Do not alter our course at all. Do not compromise.
This will anger them. We know the end result. Do not try to "out-human" or "out-tolerant" them. The correct response is the opposite.
And if it leads to war, then so be it.
"Thats insensitive" and any variation of it to browbeat us into submission should only net response from us "we don't care." Do not alter our course at all. Do not compromise.
This will anger them. We know the end result. Do not try to "out-human" or "out-tolerant" them. The correct response is the opposite.
And if it leads to war, then so be it.
Posted on 7/6/19 at 11:52 am to DeusVultMachina
quote:
This will anger them. We know the end result. Do not try to "out-human" or "out-tolerant" them. The correct response is the opposite.
Precisely. An overwhelming bout of intolerance needs to happen, right now.
Or it will happen later, under far different circumstances.
Posted on 7/6/19 at 11:54 am to BeefDawg
quote:
Go pull up Dave Rubin’s YouTube page and just watch some of his interviews of Liberals. They are complaining about Progressives and railing on the Dems as much or even more than we are. And they are all admitting that they don’t catch near the grief from the Right as they do the current mainstream Left.
They are almost begging us to let them in.
Even Jimmy Dore and Bret Weinstein, who use to consider themselves Progressives, won’t call themselves that anymore, and they continually rail on the Left and Dems for going to far Left and suffering from TDS.
Too bad. These people are just as big a part of the problem as the blue haired antifa. Kosher sandwich gonna kosher sandwich.
Posted on 7/6/19 at 11:56 am to Jimbeaux
The end result of progressivism is communism. The nation will die before we get to that point though. Somewhere close to socialism, we will collapse.
Posted on 7/6/19 at 12:02 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:
When the “sensible left” starts pushing back against the lions on their own side maybe I’ll start taking them seriously. But not a single person in the democrat party or media or academia has EVER called out their own loons.
That’s not true anymore.
Bret Weinstein, probably the most popular professor at Evergreen College, the most Liberal college in existence, called out the Left and got excommunicated and forced to resign.
Dave Rubin has like 500 video interviews with people. Half of them are with disenfranchised Liberals. Several quite prominent.
I promise you, I hate the Left. Just go look at my post history. I’m as staunch a Constitutionalist Conservative as it gets. I’ve worked hard to beat down in debate as many idiot Leftists as I can.
But very recently, I have figured out there is a faction of disaffected Classic Libs meandering in limbo who are making the same debates against the Left that I am. And they are open to helping us defeat them.
All I’m asking is do a bit more research. You’ll find them. You probably work with a couple and don’t realize it. They may not even realize it unless you ask them what they think about some extreme leftist ideals and you may find out you both agree they’re toxic to our future. They exists. Just do a bit of digging.
Posted on 7/6/19 at 12:06 pm to BeefDawg
quote:No. If they aren’t actively fighting against the mainstream left then I won’t take them seriously. They had their chance and they fostered and allowed the nuts to take over their party.
All I’m asking is do a bit more research. You’ll find them. You probably work with a couple and don’t realize it. They may not even realize it unless you ask them what they think about some extreme leftist ideals and you may find out you both agree they’re toxic to our future. They exists. Just do a bit of digging.
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